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#1 Greg Burnham

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 09:33 AM

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Attached File  JFK shooters breaking down a rifle down further towards the underpass.GIF   642.53KB   12 downloads


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#2 Kathleen Collins

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 08:08 PM

Thanks for fixing that piece of film.  Who is that man on the ground?  I don't think I ever saw him before.  Is it a re-creation?


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:58 PM

Again, I'd like to ask if someone knows who the man on the ground is, what film did it come from?  And what is the

guy doing?

 

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Posted 13 December 2014 - 04:26 AM

Kathleen:

 

The film in question is the Nix film.....

 

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 12:03 AM

The Nix film.  I never saw this portion of it.  Supposedly, the man on the ground is breaking up a rifle.

 I don't know where that came from.  Is he really doing that?


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:13 AM

Kathleen:

 

I don't think even the most brazen assassin in the world would sit down within feet of where he carried out a murder, and openly disassemble his rife - but then, I could be wrong.... !!! <g>

 

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 10:01 AM

What caught my eye was the shadow of a moving head behind the picket fence in the top left corner of this clip. Anyone else?



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 12:07 PM

What caught my eye was the shadow of a moving head behind the picket fence in the top left corner of this clip. Anyone else?

 

And the family of anti-Castro squirrels in the bottom right hand corner? Sorry I ain't seeing it.

 

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 02:53 PM

What caught my eye was the shadow of a moving head behind the picket fence in the top left corner of this clip. Anyone else?

 

Travis,

 

I just looked at the area you pointed out again. I do see motion there and it may well be someone's head, but it is not definitive, IMO. And, if it is someone's head, we still can't tell who it is or what they were doing there.


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#10 Kathleen Collins

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:45 PM

Greg,

 

Yes, there is a head behind the fence.  He pops up.  Look at the middle of that section.  There is a man

there.  I swear it.  Travis is right.  I didn't see it at first either.  Look again.

 

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:49 PM

I believe Travis got something here.  Someone never noticed it before.  He should  be commended.

 

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:49 PM

Something is definitely moving up there. Can't say it's a man or a squirrel or a branch but something is definitely moving.

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:56 PM

Something moves there--to my eye--and even that could be over-stated. But, even if true--without more information--it is useless.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 01:57 AM

i am sorry but i can't see anything...



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Posted 03 March 2015 - 10:22 AM

Hi, Kathleen,

 

Thanks for posting that snippet.   Somewhere in some photo gallery there should be a still photo of that 

part of the wooden fence that runs parallel to Elm Street and shows what looks like a long barrel of a 

rifle.  On the other side of the wooden fence maybe 15 feet (?) from the corner where the Grassy Knoll 

part of the wooden picket fence connected with this part next to Elm Street was something I was directed

to see by a friend.   It was a collection of someone's shoe prints in a small area with a few cigarette butts,

right next to the fence.  It looked as if it had been muddy on the day they were made, and had not been

smeared over.  Someone had pinned a handwritten note near the top of the fence, stating that a shooter 

had stood there on November 22, 1963.   I have only that photo of a possible rifle on the outside of the 

wooden fence at that position to cite as evidence of a shooter there.  Perhaps someone could locate that 

photo from some gallery of photographs and send it  to this Forum.  My energy and vision are somewhat 

limited now.  Otherwise, I would do it for you.



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Posted 03 March 2015 - 11:12 AM

I stood in the exact spot per the gif and as cited by Adele the other day. In my opinion, it is by far the best grassy knoll location for a shooter. Far better than the badgeman spot and the BDM spot. On that note, I consider the BDM spot a non starter due to it's complete exposure to everyone in the Plaza including all the eyewitnesses within a very close vicinity, and the fact the wall is only at waist height for an average person. I'm not saying the badgeman shot is impossible because it's not but I do think the picket fence spot 15ft west of the corner is the best spot.


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Posted 03 March 2015 - 11:19 AM

Pretty well protected and clear shot IMO

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 10:28 AM

Yes Darren this angle looks to be perfect. Looking at where the X is marked on the street and where those trees are, the timing of a shot from there would have to be impeccable. Car coming up the street, as soon as it passes those trees the shooter would only have a fraction of a second to hit his mark. Not impossible, but extremely difficult.



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Posted 05 March 2015 - 10:51 AM

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 11:26 AM

Agreed, Charles. Moreover, the location of the "X" was originally set by Robert Groden who based its placement on elements from the Zapruder film. We now know that the "X" is not in the correct spot. It is some 30 feet east of where the actual headshot occurred. While that would tend to increase the viability of that location being used by a sniper, it is mostly irrelevant at this juncture even if true. In other words, the evidence points in different and oftentimes conflicting directions. Intentionally. Combing through the details to arrive at "the truth" has long been demonstrated to be a never ending journey toward the Land of Nil.


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