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#1 Adele Edisen

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 07:25 PM

Today, Saturday, October 18, 2014, I  switched to TV Channel REELZ to land on a documentaries on JFK's

 assassination, ones I had not seen before.   The first one was an interview of Judge John R. Tunheim, former 

Chairman of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB). The documentary was titled "JFK For the Record."

 

Some questions arose in my mind when Judge Tunheim stated that JFK's brain was missing (which we all

have known for many years) and then he proceeded to offer a suggestion as to where it may have been put. 

He said that after the autopsy was done, the brain was given to the President's physician, Dr. Burkeley (sp?),

who kept it for a while and then gave it to Robert Kennedy.   Then he said when the President's body was moved 

into its permanent grave at Arlington Cemetary the brain was buried with the body.   This is what Tunheim thinks 

may have been done.

 

So now I have a few questions, some accented for me when I read Charles Drago's post below on 'looking where 

you have never looked before.'  What follows is from memory of certain related events, and if others can verify,

or deny any of them, I would appreciate it.

 

1.  I remember reading that the ornate brass casket which flew on Air Force One from Dallas to Washington

     which supposedly contained JFK's body, had been removed and dumped in the Atlantic Ocean years later 

     after the autopsy.so that it would not become a collector's item/   Is this true?  If so, he was buried in another 

   casket.

 

2.  Tunheim stated that when the President's body was moved into his permanent grave, the brain was put 

in with the body.   When was the body of the President moved - into another grave site?  I did not follow these 

sorts of events closely when they may have happened, but certainly, if they did occur, someone would have 

mentioned  it on Forums I followed, I would think.  Maybe he just meant they opened the casket to add the 

brain to the body.and then lowered it back into the grave?

 

I will try to find a video of this broadcast.

 

REELZ has  a website:

 

http://www.reelz.com...for-the-record/


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 12:54 AM

Adele,

 

Yes, it is true. The casket was dumped in the Atlantic Ocean in 1966. Here is a segment from a 2002 TV Documentary for the Discovery Channel in which the subject was discussed. I am in it briefly toward the end. The project did not turn out as well as I would have liked since the bias was pronouncedly sensationalistic rather than historic. The casket procured in Dallas was a heavy bronze, ceremonial casket. Jackie Kennedy replaced it with a mahogany casket for JFK's funeral and burial.

 

 

Below are some photos taken by Cecil Stoughton of the reinterment of President Kennedy in March of 1967. I always found it odd that they waited until night time to do this. It was dark and they had to bring in artificial lights. However, perhaps it was easier to accomplish after Arlington was closed to the public for the evening.

 

 

 

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#3 Adele Edisen

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 06:34 PM

Thank you, Greg.   You had the foresight to save those photos in case someone had some questions 

51 years later!   Thanks again.

 

When were those two sets of small sequential photos of the gravesite taken, do you know?

 

I'd like to add that JFK's body was contained in three caskets.  The first was a pinkish-gray metal 

shipping casket.

 

The second was the heavy bronze casket which was dropped into the Atlantic Ocean after

removal from the National Archives in 1966.

 

His last and burial casket is made of mahogany wood, ordered by Jacqueline Kennedy.



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:47 AM

The photos are from March 14, 1967.

 

From the HSCA files we have the following:

 

PART IV. ADDITIONAL EFFORTS TO ACQUIRE THE MISSING MATERIALS
(145) After failing to determine the fate of the missing materials
by tracing that chain of custody, the committee investigated the pos-
sibility that someone had placed the missing autopsy items, all of
which were physical specimens taken from the body of President
Kennedy, in the final grave on reinterment, on March 14, 1967. (111)
The persons contacted who were present for the ceremony could not
recall any additional package or material being placed in the grave.
The Superintendent of Arlington National Cemetery from 1951 to
1972,John Metzler, informed the committee that he attended theburial
of the President and the reinterment.(112) At the time of burial, the
coffin was placed in a "Wilbur"vault, whichhas a lid and vault that op-
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erate on a tongue and groove system. Tar is placed on the points of
contact of the grooves to insure a tight fit and permanent seal.(113)
Metzler witnessed the lowering of the lid and the sealing of the vault.
(114) and believed that the only method to open the vault subse-
quently would be to break the lid on the main portion of the vault.
(115)
(146) Metzler supervised the reinterment in 1967 and was present
at all phases of the transfer: from the opening of the old site through
the transfer by crane of the vault to the closing of the new site(116)
Metzler said there was no way anyone could have placed anything in
the coffin or vault during the transfer without his seeing it.(117)
Metzler also said that nothing could have been placed in the vault
since 1963 because there was no indication of damage to the vault
indicating any disturbance.(118) Metzler stated further that no one
placed anything in the new or old gravesite besides the vault. (119)

 

Also, from the HSCA files we have this:

 

PART V .CONCLUSIONS

(148) Despite these efforts, the committee was not able to determine precisely what happened to the missing materials.The evidence indicates that the materials were not buried with the body atreinterment. It seems apparent that Angela Novello did remove the footlocker containing the materials from the office of Mrs. Lincoln at the direction of Robert Kennedy, and that Herman Kahn had knowledge of this transaction. After the removal from Lincoln's office, Robert Kennedy most likely acquired possession of or at least personal control over these materials.Burke, Marshall's opinion that Robert Kennedy obtained and disposed of these items himself to prevent any future public display supports this theory.

 

 

(149) There are at least two possible reasons why Robert Kennedy would not have retained the autopsy photographs and X-rays.First, the only materials retained were physical specimens from the body of his brother : Tissue sections, blood smear slides, and the container of grossmaterial.Hemayhaveunderstandablyfeltmorestronglyabout preventing the misuse of these physical materials than the photographs and X-rays . Second, the Justice Department under Ramsey Clark pushed hard to acquire the photographs and X-rays but did not re- quest the physical materials.Even if Robert Kennedy had wished to prevent the release of all the autopsy materials,he was not in a position to do so when confronted with Justice Department demands.

 

(150) Consequently, although the committee has not been able to uncover any direct evidence of the fate of the missing materials, circumstantial evidence tends to show that Robert Kennedy either destroyed these materials or otherwise rendered them inaccessible.


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:13 AM

Thank you, Greg, for this information.  

So, from all that is written, one might consider that Robert Kennedy decided to save 

the brain for the possibility of becoming President of the US and going after the

murderers of his brother and using the brain as forensic evidence in court.  Maybe he told 

no one of this, or told a person sworn to secrecy.  Just some wild thoughts, late at 

night.

Thank you again.



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 09:57 AM

You're welcome, Adele. Your thoughts don't seem so "wild" to me and it's already morning in San Diego!


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#7 Adele Edisen

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 07:31 PM

I owe you another 'Thank You'.



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 07:48 PM

To eat the heart of the wolf you have slain is to gain the courage of the wolf.


"[Y]ou can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity." -- Graham Greene, The Quiet American

"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

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#9 Phil Dragoo

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 03:33 AM

Doug Horne shows a brain exam November 25 photographed by John Stringer involving the authentic brain missing most of the right occipital lobe of the cerebral cortex and much of the right cerebellum.  These photos have disappeared.  Photos alleged to be of the brain show one fixated in formalin for at least two weeks not two days, further the photos are rejected by Stringer as his. 

 

Finck was called in on November 29 for an exam no later than December 2.  The weight of the brain after catastrophic loss reported by McClelland was listed as 1500 grams, a high normal male brain weight.

 

http://jfkcountercou...doug-horne.html

 

The 1966 casket preparation for disposal is detailed in the memo for the record by Lewis M. Robeson, Chief, Archives Materials Handling Branch:

 

http://www.maryferre...927&relPageId=2

 

The authentic brain must have been destroyed--the consequence of its discovery and examination by uncorrupted professionals would have been devastating to the official dogma.

 

The substitute brain may have been placed in an 8 X 7 inch stainless steel container and into a trunk under the nominal auspices of Burkley, passed off to Bouck to Lincoln to Novello to the Archives at which time the container and its false contents were missing.

 

As missing as Dorothy Kilgallen's papers.

 

As missing as Richard Case Nagell's purple trunk.

 

As missing as the diary Mary Meyer never kept but Angleton schlepped.

 

The new book blames Bobby.

 

In the record we find the Archives thinking the unthinkable:

 

This suggests that after Novello allegedly took the material from the office of Mrs. Lincoln, it may have been removed from the Archives building as opposed to only being moved to another part of the building as Mrs. Lincoln speculated.  Peterson also says that Robert Bahmer, the Archivist of the United States in 1966, believed that sometime before the transfer of the materials as a gift, Herman Kahn, the Assistant Archivist for Presidential Libraries supervised the acceptance of the footlocker, along with several other boxes of Robert Kennedy's materials, for courtesy storage in vault 6-W-3.  Peterson further stated that Herman Kahn, now dead, may have been the only Archives employee present for the transfer and that no record of delivery is available.

 



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:23 AM

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#11 Adele Edisen

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 04:14 PM

Phil, what new book blames Bobby -  for destroying the brain, or removing it?

 

Since so many important items are miissing, couldn't Bobby have taken the real brain away

at any time, as other things apparently were?



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:00 AM

Greg, our physician saw me reading Ira David Woods III JFK Chronology yesterday and asked me if I was familiar with a Dr. Rose--

 

I said the medical examiner who would have done the job but yielded to Secret Service agents with guns drawn--

 

He had Rose as a medical school professor in the early 'eighties:

 

From 1968 until his retirement in the early 1992, Rose taught pathology at the University of Iowa.

 

The Follow the Body in the Caskets Monte and Follow the Brains in the Stainless Container Monte are featured in the JFK Assassination Casino

where the house has the odds, the muscle, the surveillance, and the customers never leave winners

 

Adele, the book I referred to is James Swanson End of Days: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, 2013.

 

The NY Post review is headlined RFK May Have Swiped JFK's Brain--a typical Post tabloid needle--

 

--and typical, too, of the orthodox blame the victim and beg the question "where is the authentic brain and why isn't it in evidence"

 

--obviously it was inconvenient

 

Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand said Curry

 

to which I must add

 

nor on the floor

 

nor at a trigger

 

nor throwing a spear from the South Knoll piercing the right temple exiting the right occipital parietal

 

Dr. Kemp Clark, Associate Professor and Chairman of Neurosurgery:  "There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region."[21. transcript CE 392] "Both cerebral and cerebellar tissues were extruding from the wound."[22.CE 392]

 

In the Big Lie the Patsy became Don Juan using a Yaqui Way of Knowledge

to stand on one side of the president and hurtle the spear from the opposite

 

to make the macerated brain whole

and to make the whole disappear

 

framing the patsy for the coup

and the brother for the heist

 

Such was de rigeur for the 'sixties

its so-violent zeitgeist

 

Lone nuts sprouting

like puffballs after the rain

 

evidence so evanescent

like the disappearing brain

 

 

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 07:15 AM

A "top man" is identified beginning at 3:10 of this clip:

 


"[Y]ou can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity." -- Graham Greene, The Quiet American

"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:29 AM

Phil,

 

It's as if a "dream catcher" was necessary to conjure the imagined presence of a giant gnat on the ass of The Establishment before control was finally relinquished during LHO's distinguished, yet unremarkable, Journey to Ixtlan [aka:Mexico for our purposes here]. Perhaps if Wesley Frasier hadn't grabbed Lee's hand as they plunged from the 6th Floor precipice into the abyss things would be different. As it is, personal power was lost...perhaps forever. Know what I mean Huckleberry?


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“The ancient Greek definition of happiness was the full use of your powers along lines of excellence."  -- JFK

"A wise man can act a fool, but a foolish man can never act wise."  -- Unknown

 

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 09:16 PM

Phil,

 

First of all, I know nothing of the book you mentioned or of any newspaper articles in the NY "Rag" Post.  

I claim  my idea to have been totally my own, based on the meager information to which I have had access.

1.  The JFK brain was put into a formaldehyde solution to be preserved., or was it not?

2   The container was eventually given to Robert Kennedy and his secretary for safekeeping, or was it not?

3.  I do not have the date of this transfer, but I assume it happened sometime before RFK's death 

     in June of 1968.

4.  I assume he had access to it, and if he did, he could have removed it so that it would not be placed

     in JFK's coffin, which was apparently not possible.  Maybe it was done during the time when it was 

    given to him.   No one else needed to know of this unless he told them.



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Posted 24 October 2014 - 12:17 AM

Sorry to have confused everyone with my last post, but Phil made a brief reference to the work of Carlos Casteneda and I ran with it.


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"A wise man can act a fool, but a foolish man can never act wise."  -- Unknown

 

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 04:05 AM

Adele, in plain speaking, there was a book published last year blaming Robert F. Kennedy, for "stealing JFK's brain" in the typically crass headline of the New York Post.

 

You'd asked what book.  As I noted, James Swanson End of Days: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, 2013.

 

My point is, again, plainly put, blaming the also-assassinated-by-the-Unspeakable brother for the destruction of evidence is piling outrage upon outrage.

 

It isn't "where is the brain" but rather why are we not told by "investigations" that the brain was reduced to a fraction by crossfire, that a basically intact brain was substituted, and this place-holder was shuffled by a street-hustler employed by the sword and shield of the cabal.

 

The answer is the simplest recitation of O'Brien to Winston Smith in the predeath vision of Eric Blair.

 

Power.

 

That they enjoyed tearing wings off flies and hope off humans was a corollary easily predicted.

 

Power is cruel as liquid nitrogen is cool

 

Greg, yes, this is the surrealism demanded of us

 

We must suspend disbelief

 

The solution to the drama is Oswald ex Machina

 

where Oswald is the summation of the Two Minutes Hate target Goldstein and the Brotherhood

 

Every Texas cop is jaw-muscle-popping eager to tear this little pencil-necked Commie's head off

 

And added the despicable insult of using a foreign weapon

 

(the Castro-loving America-hating Russian-marrying tee-shirt punk)

 

Charles presents the Stooges' masterful depiction of the pyramid of rule

 

the Top Man ascends only to have his brains smashed in the fall

 

while the Unspeakable are invisible

 

another day of plausible denial

 

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 11:23 AM

Do you hear the "Nazi" say, "Grab them in the name of the new world order"?


"[Y]ou can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity." -- Graham Greene, The Quiet American

"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

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and the trees stand. i think i too have known
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Posted 24 October 2014 - 02:11 PM

Charles, yes, nice catch, at 5:44-5:45, the Axis swallows democracy

 

It will be remembered Allen Dulles poohpoohed the danger of Hitler, admired the enthusiasm of Goebells, absorbed the Gehlen organization

 

And is echoed in the response of GHWBush to April's Acheson vis-a-vis Kuwait's regional nature

 

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 02:26 PM

I conclude Allen Dulles was in fact an American Fascist by deed and disposition.

Not exactly alone in the global power apparatus either.






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