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#21 Vasilis Vazakas

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:59 AM

Hi Staffan

 

I would agree with your analysis regarding the Bobby Baker scandal and LBJ. jerome Corsi wrote in his latest book that it was Robert Kennedy himself who fed information to their reporters.

I countered his argument by writing the following :"I am convinced this was not the case. For the simple reason that Henry Luce, the owner and founder of the magazine, was quite anti-Kennedy and anti-Communist. And he felt that Kennedy was not doing enough to liberate Cuba. Luce and his wife Clare Booth Luce were financing the Cuban exiles in their war against Castro and were very critical of Kennedy's failure to do more in that regard. At one point they walked out of a White House dinner after disagreeing with JFK when he tried to convince them to cool it down over Cuba. After the assassination it was C.D. Jackson, publisher of Time, and Luce's personal friend and emissary to the CIA , who purchased the Zapruder film and Life kept it locked up for many years. That way Life was able to control vital information in the film that would have proved conspiracy. To believe that Luce would help the Kennedys destroy LBJ seems a bit unlikely. It would make more sense that conspirators of the assassination used Life to corner and weaken LBJ in order to use him as an accessory to cover up the crime committed in his Texas backyard."

However C.D. Jackson, a Psy-ops expert is one of the most important individuals that i believe was part of the plot and he is probably the person that Charles names as "Thespian". I was suspecting E.H. Hunt as Thespian but now i have settled for Jackson although i could be wrong but i cannot think of anyone else.

I never believed that LBJ initiated organized and executed the assassination but he definetely helped with the cover up and also reversed the US foreign policy.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 10:07 AM

 

I never believed that LBJ initiated organized and executed the assassination but he definetely helped with the cover up and also reversed the US foreign policy. [emphasis added]

 

It's good to know you don't think LBJ was a shooter.  :D


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#23 Vasilis Vazakas

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 12:26 PM

sometimes my english are not perfect, i meant he did not guide the shooters...



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 12:37 PM

sometimes my english are not perfect, i meant he did not guide the shooters...

 

I know what you meant, Vasilis. I was just kidding.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 05:12 AM

After the assassination it was C.D. Jackson, publisher of Time, and Luce's personal friend and emissary to the CIA , who purchased the Zapruder film and Life kept it locked up for many years. That way Life was able to control vital information in the film that would have proved conspiracy.


So to those who object to the suggestion that the Z film was altered, ask yourself why it was kept at all (in so much as the knowledge of its existence was kept public) it had to be kept to muddy the waters, proving neither one thing nor another. Otherwise why didn't it disappear, like Beverly Oliver's film, or fall foul of the butter fingered junior technician supposedly responsible for the splices and missing frames and melt whilst he accidentally left it too close to the radiator that chilly November?

As to LBJ, along with the Bush double act, he must rank amongst the most obnoxious, callous, murderous and self serving Presidents the US has ever allowed into office. That anyone believes that any part he played in the events was even remotely benign deserves a reality check on their part.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:15 AM

Brian,

One day I started to believe what I actually saw, focused on the result and backtracked from there. If LBJ didnt know beforehand that JFK was to be killed - LBJ most likely only on a need to know basis - he sure acted as he did. I think the real story of Zapruder is way more sinister than at a first glance, IMO.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:14 PM

Steffan.

Couldn't agree more. Douglas Horne's discovery of the two separate briefing boards is the clincher for me. And of course, whenever anyone connected in any way with the assassination dies of cancer, as Zapruder did, whether justified or not, I automatically assume that it wasn't contracted naturally.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:09 AM

Brian, yes, I agree. I wish someone would look into the deaths of the Altgens couple; both died within hours in a hotel room (I believe). I happen to be one of those who believe the Altgens 6 is a manipulated photo (with perhaps Oswald in the door). I know Ike Altgens was not a press photographer as much as a photograph editor. Why would he be sent out to take the most important photo of that day? Later he also told Wesley Liebeler that the limo didnt stop; actually he offered that info without Liebeler ever asking about it! He is a suspicious character if you ask me.



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Posted 04 December 2014 - 08:57 AM

As to LBJ, along with the Bush double act, he must rank amongst the most obnoxious, callous, murderous and self serving Presidents the US has ever allowed into office. That anyone believes that any part he played in the events was even remotely benign deserves a reality check on their part.

 

LBJ's involvement is detailed in Roger Stone's book which I've finished reading for the 2nd time.  I highly recommend it.  I'm going to read Phillip F Nelsons book "LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination" next.  

 

LBJ's Vietnam gifted us this gem.... "Then someone called out "contact" and the bloke behind me swore, and we hooked in there for hours, then a god-almighty roar. Frankie kicked a mine the day that mankind kicked the moon. God help me, he was going home in June."

 



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Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:18 AM

Bullshit seeks its own level.


"[Y]ou can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity." -- Graham Greene, The Quiet American

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#31 Phil Dragoo

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 03:04 PM

The work of Zirbel, McClellan, Nelson, Stone and E. Howard Hunt to the contrary notwithstanding, Lyndon Baines Johnson was an expendable facilitator.

 

He was compliant in instituting the commission thrust upon him by Rostow, Alsop et al.

 

He was obedient in blessing the Kabuki Gulf Nothingburger.

 

He was an eager operator of the meat grinder until he found the horse's head in his bed March 1968

 

whereupon he became the thug-at-the-bar in Casino dissolving under Joe Pesci's withering attack.

 

Another terra cotta warrior in the fingerpainting-in-blood by sponsors unknown, secret team, deep state, "grand cabal."

 

Taking his place on the Great Mandala through heart attack following Hoover's and preceeding Nixon's "effective noon tomorrow".

 

Oh, and a permanent place in the pantheon of False Sponsors with The Mob and the rest of the Tutti Frutti Ensemble Company.

 

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:48 PM

Great post Phil, thanks.

 

As with most, if not all(?), directions in the investigation there are many bits of information which directly refute other leads. The key is recognizing which information carries more weight than others.  The LBJ path is littered with trash....



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 04:55 AM

Some have been taken for a long ride to Fantasy Land by writers like Nelson and Stone..



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 05:12 AM

Some have been taken for a long ride to Fantasy Land by writers like Nelson and Stone..

 

You may be right, Adele.

I'll reserve my opinions for now.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:15 AM

There is no "may be" about it.

 

Then again, "may be" is what keeps the cover-up alive and thriving.  Uncertainty is the killers' greatest ally.

 

LBJ couldn't mastermind a fart at a garlic festival.


"[Y]ou can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity." -- Graham Greene, The Quiet American

"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 03:05 PM

Forgive me Charles (and Adele) but it certainly takes more than the say so of a few others for me to reach tenable conclusions.

 

The discovery and process is as important as the result.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 06:20 PM

When the "discovery process" is designed to perpetuate uncertainty the "result" has no value to the seekers of the truth. It only serves the agenda of accessories after the fact.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 06:21 PM

Forgive me Charles (and Adele) but it certainly takes more than the say so of a few others for me to reach tenable conclusions.

 

The discovery and process is as important as the result.

Darren,

 

That's fine to be skeptical; we should question everything until we are satisfied with the truth.  Sometimes there may be a 

certain fact which can undermine a false statement that has been accepted as being true, something that completely 

contradicts it.  

 

May I suggest that you look up where LBJ was on Thursday morning, November 21, 1963, until Friday morning, November 22, 1963.  

Compare what Stone and Nelson and their sources say about it with what newspapers, Secret Service reports, and other witnesses and other authors state..

Do it by hours and minute of that 24-hour period.  I predict you will find some very interesting discrepancies.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 06:44 PM

I'll add to my to do list Adele.

Thanks!



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Posted 08 December 2014 - 04:54 AM

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LYNDON B. JOHNSON JOHN F. KENNEDY

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GREAT AMERICAN COUP D'ETAT

by L. Fletcher Prouty

 

 

On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United States of America.

 

On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.

 

On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action Memorandum #273, the highest level national security document, as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."

 

Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and would not have signed it. Why would it have been drafted for his signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963 Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.

 

http://www.prouty.org/johnson.html

 

Phil's footnote: In this article L. Fletcher Prouty makes it clear Johnson-as was Eisenhower--was a spectator; he was a driven gear, not a driver.

In the model of George Michael Evica enunciated by Charles Drago, Johnson was a facilitator and a false-sponsor.

 

The sword and shield of the Unspeakable had been operational before the National Security Acts of 1947 and 1949.

 

By the time Eisenhower ran, he's brought on board his psychological warfare chief from WW II C. D. Jackson who wrote the October 1952 speech calling on the agencies of government to speak with one voice.

 

We see this echoed in the fourth clause of the draft NSAM 273.

 

Johnson was HANDED the Commission--he tried to brush off the cup but would drink it by week's end.

 

He soon sank into deepening depression, begged off a second term in March of 1968, to die in a powerless and confused state--

 

--while the regimes fell before his time on stage playing the president, and the machinations continue without interruption after his exit from the stage.

 

Hunt, as the light failed, made one last deflection of guilt from his company of Angleton's world's best liars.

 

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Everytime somebody says Johnson-did-it the card party in Hell roars with laughter and calls for more water on the rocks.

 






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