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#1 Stan Wilbourne

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 06:54 AM


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#2 Adele Edisen

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 04:06 PM

I met Clint Hill at a bookstore on March 10th and spoke with him briefly.  I gave him a reference to my interview on Google and he put it into a pocket inside his jacket.

He may not bother with it, but I told him it had to do with the JFK assassination.  We shall see.......



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 04:15 PM

I met Clint Hill at a bookstore on March 10th and spoke with him briefly.  I gave him a reference to my interview on Google and he put it into a pocket inside his jacket.

He may not bother with it, but I told him it had to do with the JFK assassination.  We shall see.......

 

Adele,

 

What was your impression of Clint Hill? Or was your meeting too brief to form an opinion?


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#4 Stan Wilbourne

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

Adele, the thought of you and Clint Hill standing side by side, fifty years later, in a book store..Clint having no idea who you are or what you went through in the context of this tragic event, well, there's something breath-taking about that.



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:30 AM

WALLACE: Can I take you back to November twenty-second in 1963? You were on the fender of the Secret Service car right behind President Kennedy's car. At the first shot, you ran forward and jumped on the back of the president's car—in less than two seconds—pulling Mrs. Kennedy down into her seat, protecting her. First of all, she was out on the trunk of that car—

 

HILL: She was out of the backseat of that car, not on the trunk of that car.

 

WALLACE: Well, she was— She had climbed out of the back, and she was on the way back, right?

 

HILL: And because of the fact that her husband's—part of his—her husband's head had been shot off and gone off to the street.

 

WALLACE: She wasn't— She wasn't trying to climb out of the car? She was—

 

HILL: No, she was simply trying to reach that head, part of the head.

 

That was excellent:  Hill destroys the claim Jackie was fleeing--and establishes (whatever his conscious thought) a frontal entry/rear exit.

 

WALLACE: Was there any way— Was there anything that the Secret Service or Clint Hill could have done to keep that from happening?

 

HILL: Clint Hill, yes.

 

WALLACE: "Clint Hill, yes"? What do you mean?

 

HILL: If he had acted about five-tenths of a second faster, or maybe a second faster, I wouldn't be here today.

 

WALLACE: You mean you would have gotten there and you would have taken the shot?

 

HILL: The third shot, yes, sir.

 

Stan, is this tearful breakdown what you meant by grand theater--that Wallace and Hill were doing a bit?

 

Surely Hill might've said a million things besides this chest-beating bathos.  Well, Mike, the turn--what jackass approved that?  The driver--why did he stop?  The motorcycles--where were they?  The rest of the agents in the follow-up car--why were they acting as if they wanted the president to be shot or were too hung over to care?  The back of his head blew on the trunk--absent a forty-mile-an-hour headwind how could this mean anything but a frontal entry?

 

Wallace leads Hill in a recitation of the three shots-one gun creed, because, of course, Wallace is a Mockingbird and Hill wants to live.

 

They conclude with the boilerplate impossible to protect a president against a lunatic.

 

Hill claims Johnson insisted he remain a foot and a half from him in the wake of the Martin Luther King assassination.

 

That was '68, when Johnson had bowed out in March and King went down in April with Bobby to follow.

 

Johnson didn't want to go on after the horse's head in is bed.

 

Hill's boo-hooing is a cover for his deeper guilt.

 

Much deeper--a guilt he dare not express to psychiatrists lest he die of a heart attack.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:41 AM

WALLACE: Can I take you back to November twenty-second in 1963? You were on the fender of the Secret Service car right behind President Kennedy's car. At the first shot, you ran forward and jumped on the back of the president's car—in less than two seconds—pulling Mrs. Kennedy down into her seat, protecting her. First of all, she was out on the trunk of that car—

 

 

Altgens 6, in all likelihood the most reliable of the photographic evidence of the assassination, clearly refutes the propagation of this blatant lie...

 

Charles' summation is the best I've read: "Anyone with reasonable access to the evidence in the homicide of JFK who does not conclude that the act was the consequence of a criminal conspiracy is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime." (A Certain Arrogance, 2006, pp. 2-3)



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Posted 14 March 2015 - 03:07 AM

Mark, you are quite correct.  Clint Hill did not act until after the third--and fatal--volley.

 

General Godfrey McHugh would ordinarily be in the front seat between the driver and second Secret Service agent--he was relegated to the VIP bus far back in the motorcade.

 

The motorcycle escort was halved and pulled back.

 

The agents were instructed to stay off the limousine--ostensibly at JFK's order, but this is refuted by Palamara's querying of surviving agents.

 

The privacy glass provided upon delivery April 1961 was removed in August of that year on Secret Service instruction.

 

The sharp, slow turn mimics that chosen for the ambush of Reinhard Heydrich in Czechoslavakia in 1942, twenty-one years prior at the time Donovan would send Allen Dulles to Switzerland to amass caches of sniper rifles and silencers.

 

The agents on the follow-up car were ordered not to move by Emery Roberts.

 

Agent Elmer Moore was following orders when he badgered Malcolm Perry all Friday night to recant the description of the throat wound as one of entry.

 

The body was stolen for a fraudulent military autopsy with participants threatened with court martial for violating gag orders.

 

In truth the action of Clint Hill was after the assassination, feigning valor, signifying collusion.

 

Exeunt omnes Overpass Right.

 



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Posted 14 March 2015 - 05:43 PM

Are we certain of the time when Clint Hill began moving?

The Zapruder film should not/can't be trusted for timings, IMO, and the eyewitness testimony contradicts much of the photographic evidence (including the Z film).

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:39 AM

And Mr. Hill,

Aside from the SS-100X Stop and then,

About the Queen Mary mass dismount?

Wazzup with that crap being always ignored by yourself?

 

Cut the bullshit and tell the people what really happened - one side of the issue or the other.

Up to now you Sir, have chosen the wrong side of the issue.

 

Supporting the evidence of a right rear exit wound is not enough done in the face of treason.

 

Nuff Said Asshole Mr. Hill.

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 08:16 AM

Fear is a powerful motivator...perhaps the most powerful.

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 10:46 AM

People are motivated by desire for gain, fear of loss, or most effectively through a combination of both.

 

The occurrence of human motivation is proportionate to the perceived "quality or quantity of gain" potentially to be realized and/or to the "degree of severity" to be avoided.

 

It is inversely proportionate to the "presence of doubt" as to the probable outcome resulting from a particular course of action. *

 

 

* An "action" in this context includes "pro-active" behaviors as well as behavioral choices that may constitute a "failure to act."


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 01:29 PM

Yes, agreed. Gain will aid in overcoming fears also. And very well put. Cheers.

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 09:54 PM

I hate to judge another human being, but the consequences of chosen acts undertaken in crisis by Mr. Hill as USSS agent don't speak well of his integrity.

I agree with Phil's point Mr. Hill's actions were after the fact and indicative of collusion after the fact. (to the best of my knowledge anyhow....)

 

I bought and read "The Kennedy Detail" knowing it was full of shit propaganda as approved by the Confuseum and those behind Gary SMack's web of bullshit.

I watched the various Disney Empire TV productions featuring Mr. Hill and Gerald the LIAR repeating LIES as another example of malfeasance of duty to WETHEPEOPLE.

 

Truth will not be found in that environment, we must find the truth for ourselves.

 

Fear is only a motivator, and even then only a motivator if used to harness effort.

 

SPECULATION:

If Mr. Hill was and has since been motivated by fear of consequences, it seems so. But this skirts too close to an EXCUSE in my view.

Mr. Hill is not the only witness to choose silence for safety. Understandable if not honest.

End Speculation

 

That is normative behavior, but the actions undertaken to prop up the LHO dunnit alone coverup since 1964 HAVE NO EXCUSE.

 

Simply the actions of the disloyal and dishonest undertaken in self protection/promotion.

Worse is the continued promotion of "public doubt" and the like.

 

The whole damn USSS KNOWS what really happened,

how they didn't screw the pooch

but decided as an agency that it was proper to murder the elected President when that murder is approved by the Department of the Treasury and those above in the Empire's command structure.

 

I doubt Mr. Hill knew what was about to happen, but shock and a failed attempt to save the President cannot excuse Mr. Hill's actions since that murderous moment on Elm Street.

FWIW

Jim



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 02:55 AM

Greg asked , a year ago,

 

Adele,

 

What was your impression of Clint Hill? Or was your meeting too brief to form an opinion?

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I missed reading this whole page after my input.   My thought was that Clint Hill wouldn't bother reading or listening to my interview.  
He probably thought I was another 'nut case' bothering him.   He was there to just sell and autograph his book, not to talk about aspects
of the assassination.  I had wanted to ask why there were no Secret Service men around the back and front of the car.  Oh, Well..
I think he had a lot of remorse because he couldn't have done more.  None of the SS Agents were allowed to.   Jim Garrison told me 
he thought the FBI and SS were in on the assassination (Their supervisor's were, not everyone, of course).


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:51 AM

Thanks for your [belated] reply, Adele.  :)

 

It's a shame about Hill. Especially the part where he received a commendation for his service in Dallas, that is.


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 02:23 PM

Hill employs doublethink/doublespeak.

 

He notes the back of the president's head blown out, indicating a frontal entry of a shot prior to his debarkation from the Queen Mary.

 

Being able to breathe and feed himself, he cannot help but notice the coarsest points of the security stripping:

 

The tight turn and slow speed with stop or near-stop

 

The removal of the standard motorcycle pattern

 

The absence of McHugh

 

The placement of Burkley and the camera cars far back in the motorcade

 

The order by Emory Roberts not to move

 

The failure of Greer to accelerate--braking and looking back until the head shot

 

. . .and Hill cannot miss the hijack of the body and the obscene Kabuki of Bethesda

 

. . .the threats to or deaths of witnesses, theft or destruction or fabrication of evidence

 

He drank himself into a fuzzy sanctuary and now emerges into a faux celebrity

 

In the end everything dies

 

He hopes that will be the end of it

 

Footnote:  He last saw Jackie at Robert's funeral--could he face her?

 

His tongue must be tired from La La La La La I can't hear you

 

Noguchi is good guchi, right, Clint?



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:30 PM

At this point, everything I have seen and read indicates Clint Hill had left the SS limousine by the time JFK received the visible head wound, that itself would have been fatal if all other wounds were survivable. When I view the Zfilm and Nfilm at the same time at full speed, the timing appears to indicate Clint Hill reacted courageously and timely. But, I am aware of the reliability questions regarding said films. However, at this time at least, I have no recall of any reliable eyewitness testimony indicating the timing of Clint Hill's movement varies significantly from what appears on film. On the other hand, his interview responses seem somewhat restrained, but I just don't know if he could have reacted differently. An option, of course, would have been for a SSA to be riding on each side of the JFK limousine rear bumper, at least past the RR Triple Underpass. JMO, FWIW.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:35 AM

At this point, everything I have seen and read indicates Clint Hill had left the SS limousine by the time JFK received the visible head wound, that itself would have been fatal if all other wounds were survivable. When I view the Zfilm and Nfilm at the same time at full speed, the timing appears to indicate Clint Hill reacted courageously and timely. 

 

Courageously, perhaps… Timely, not by any reasonable standard.  As previously noted, Altgens 6 (Z255) clearly indicates at least 3 hits on JFK and Connally while Hill motionlessly stares at the macabre scene playing out before him.  Wallace, with his leading statement, " At the first shot, you ran forward and jumped on the back of the president's carin less than two seconds" perpetuates the blatant lie that there was nothing anyone could have done.

 

As you indicated, Hill does appear to have dismounted the Queen Mary prior to the head shot(s), but he was at least 4-5 seconds late in doing so.  Wallace's lie went unchallenged by Hill.  Clint's true courage would have been displayed in exposing the lie and revealing the truth.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 06:07 AM

I concur.

Where I count Judge Jim Garrison heroic for sticking to the evidence ignored and covered up to track the conspiracy, I cannot do the same for Mr. Clint Hill.

 

Mr. Hill chose the wrong side to jump in bed with. Commended for heroism but I have a higher standard of courage and heroism than most.

 

Heroism would have him out of the "government service" and publicly serving wethepeople by exposing the deceptions he HAS TO KNOW ABOUT.

 

He knows the Z-toon is bogus! But endorsed it.

 

He knows the security stripping that took place in Dallas, but he denies that it had any effect on the murder's accomplishment as fact.

 

He denies, but too much is known about the USSS.

The USSS STOLE THE PRESIDENT'S BODY and he knows about the reality of that felony in spades.

 

He freaking knows and still chooses the LIE over truth and feeds the lie to wethepeople that do not know the truth.

 

He Knows and LIES, are his lips movin'?

 

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 01:18 PM

Courageously, perhaps… Timely, not by any reasonable standard.  As previously noted, Altgens 6 (Z255) clearly indicates at least 3 hits on JFK and Connally while Hill motionlessly stares at the macabre scene playing out before him.  Wallace, with his leading statement, " At the first shot, you ran forward and jumped on the back of the president's carin less than two seconds" perpetuates the blatant lie that there was nothing anyone could have done.

 

As you indicated, Hill does appear to have dismounted the Queen Mary prior to the head shot(s), but he was at least 4-5 seconds late in doing so.  Wallace's lie went unchallenged by Hill.  Clint's true courage would have been displayed in exposing the lie and revealing the truth.

 

I appreciate your response and discussion, and as I stated, CH's interview response appears "restrained". But, I cannot in good conscience criticize his actions as the assassination occurred on 11/22/63. I fail to see the 4-5 seconds late in reacting based on the Altgens6 photo, nor do I know how fast the motorcade was moving at the time of said photo. As it was, CH barely reached the rear of the JFK limousine after it slowed and/or stopped, before it resumed speed/took off. However, if film alteration changes the timing, that's another story. But, like I stated, I know of no eyewitness testimony that that varies his response timing. Although again, the interview responses are troubling. And, as I stated, JMO, FWIW.


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