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#1 Greg Burnham

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:58 AM

[After speaking with David yesterday for about an hour, he sent this to me and suggested I disseminate it far and wide. I am neither endorsing nor refuting the contents contained herein. Posted here for your review. -- Admin]

 

WILL BILL MOYERS EVER TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON?

 

By Roger Stone

 

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"Get that goddamned "bubble [top] off unless it's pouring rain" said Bill Moyers just hours before John Kennedy's head was blown off in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Moyers, doing advance work for Lyndon Johnson in Austin, was speaking to a Ms. Harris who told the Secret Service. "Goddamn" was a favorite word of Moyer's boss Lyndon Johnson and the "bubbletop" was a removable, black protective top for the president's limousine.

 

While the bubble-top was not bullet-proof it was opague and would have prevented a sniper in a tall building from getting a clear 'head-shot".

 

Legendary Texas reporter Sarah McLendon (who rose to be the dean of the White House press corps) said that "religious aide" Bill Moyers was brought into the Johnson camp to act as a beard to facilitate the adultery of then Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson with his secretary Mary Margaret Wiley. McLendon from her memoir:

 

 
After the murder of JFK, Bill Moyers assumed a lot of power as a very young and inner circle aide to Lyndon Johnson. One of the things that attracted a young Bill Moyers to Lyndon Johnson was that LBJ exuded "power," not that LBJ was a decent, honest and likeable man.
 
In the research for my New York Times Bestselling book- The Man Who Killed Kennedy- the case Against LBJ I had the opportunity to examine Moyers. The reality of LBJ was that he was a mean, cruel, sadistic man whose corruption was of Biblical proportions. LBJ also had a spectacular hatred of the Kennedys. But he had power and that is what a young Bill Moyers was attracted to. In fact Moyers likes to tell the story of how as a college student he would go to Sunday brunch at the Johnson house where he would mingle with LBJ's close friend and neighbor FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, LBJ's mentors Sen. Richard Russell and Sam Rayburn, the "powerful" Speaker of the House.
 
Legendary Texas reporter Sarah McLendon (who rose to be the dean of the White House press corps) said that "religious aide" Bill Moyers was brought into the Johnson camp to act as a beard to facilitate the adultery of then Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson with his secretary Mary Margaret Wiley. McLendon from her memoir:
 

 


"Bill Moyers just began handling the press for Lyndon at that time. Moyers, who'd graduated from Southwest Theological Institute in Fort Worth, had been brought to Washington because of another rumor: there had been speculation that LBJ's relationship with his top secretary Mary Margaret Wiley had become an intimate as well as a professional one. Concerned, Lyndon had asked his good friend Harry Provence of the Waco Tribune and several other Texas editors to look for someone to prevent that kind of talk. And who better to give the Vice Presidential staff a more "sanctified" appearance than a young man headed for the ministry? So Moyers was hired on, ostensibly to deal with policy concerning religion and to answer letters that had a religious tone. In actuality, he was a chaperone who would travel with Lyndon and Mary Margaret to show that all was on the up-and-up."

 
Mary Margaret Wiley later went on to marry another key LBJ aide, Jack Valenti, who let his "wife" keep sleeping with LBJ. The Valenti's firstborn daughter Courtenay Lynda Valenti is the biological daughter of Lyndon Johnson. Lyndon Boozer, a lobbyist, is yet another of LBJ's secretarial procreation (mother Yolanda). The Secret Service told author Ron Kessler that LBJ was having sex with 5 of his 8 secretaries.
 
Old time lawyers in Austin will tell you that before LBJ would hire a secretary he would ask about her "Does she shuck her drawers?"
 
A good question to ask is why has Bill Moyers not written a book about his times with Lyndon Johnson? Moyers has said that he was attracted to LBJ's power. Post JFK assassination Moyers (in his twenties) immediately becomes one of LBJ's closest, most powerful aides. This seems like a ripe topic for an interesting book. Maybe Moyers has sat on this book because if he wrote it he would have to tell the truth about LBJ's fantastic corruption, scary mental instabilities, hatred of the Kennedys, his sadism, his cruelty, his beyond outrageous behavior.
 
Bill Moyers is obviously a man not ready to deal with the terrible truth about Lyndon Johnson. A prime example of this was in 2003 when the History Channel ran a series on the JFK assassination that dealt with the role of Lyndon Johnson in the murder of John Kennedy. It was called The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Guilty Men, episodes 7, 8 and 9.
 
Moyers, Valenti and Gerald Ford and the Johnson family went ballistic and demanded that the series, one of the most insightful ever on the JFK assassination, be ripped down off of TV. The History Channel in a spectacularly craven act of folding to political pressure complied.
 
The truth had hit home.
 
Jack Valenti, the man who married LBJ's secretary then continued to let Johnson sleep with her, was the man in Hollywood who was also orchestrating the media's vicious attacks on Oliver Stone's JFK, a movie that implied LBJ's participation in the JFK assassination. Those attacks by an army of CIA media assets were occurring full throttle 6 months before the movie JFK was even released at Christmas, 1991.

Valenti knew what a liar LBJ was as well as a "mean bully" who "could humiliate you, both publicly and privately."
 
Bill Moyers was the one who Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach sent a notorious memo 3 days post JFK assassination saying "The public should be satisfied that Oswald was the lone assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

The idea of investigating the new president LBJ, whose every private utterance concerning Robert Kennedy was a death threat, or the CIA in the JFK assassination was verboten - off the table - even before the Warren Commission was created.
The whitewashed Warren Report went on to be denounced and ridiculed probably more than any document in world history except perhaps for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-semitic hoax.
 
Moyers has probably chosen not to write his memoirs because in Moyers' diary there are probably just too many examples of LBJ's depravity, lunacy and documented unhinged hatred of the Kennedys that would have to be dealt with. To tell the truth would discredit Lyndon Johnson and, more importantly from Moyer's point of view, discredit the people like himself who enabled this dangerous monster to operate.
 
And to deal honestly with that material would lead the reader straight to the truth about the JFK assassination: that LBJ murdered John Kennedy before the Kennedys could destroy him first.
 
Richard Goodwin wrote about LBJ's mental instabilities in the New York Times on Aug. 21, 1988 in a column titled President Lyndon Johnson: The War Within. Goodwin's chapter on LBJ's mental problems in his book Remembering America is entitled "Descent" and is filled to the brim with anecdotes about LBJ's hatreds, bucketfuls of perceived humiliations, paranoia, nuttiness - so much so the chapter title "Descent Into Madness" would have been more apt. Bill Moyers and Richard Goodwin were both fully aware Lyndon Johnson was a lunatic.
 
Richard Goodwin in the NYT:
 
"A few days before, I had been sitting in Bill Moyers's office, when Bill walked in, visibly shaken, his face pale. ''I just came from a conversation with the President,'' he said. ''He told me he was going to fire everybody who didn't agree with him, that Hubert [Humphrey] could not be trusted and we weren't to tell him anything; then he began to explain that the Communist way of thinking had infected everyone around him, that his enemies were deceiving the people and, if they succeeded, there was no way he could stop World War III.'' "Suppose he really does go crazy,'' I said. And then, answering my own question: ''I tell you what would happen if we went public with our doubts. They could assemble a panel of psychiatrists to examine the President, and he would tell them how sad it made him that two boys he loved so much could have thought such a thing, and then explain his behavior so calmly and reasonably that when he was finished, we would be the ones committed."
 
Shortly thereafter, I talked with a psychiatrist who was also a close personal friend. After he agreed to treat our conversation as privileged, I described the President's behavior in detail as I had observed it. At the time, I did not even inform Moyers of this step; nor did he tell me, until years later, that he had independently followed the same course, speaking with two different psychiatrists. All three doctors offered essentially the same opinion: that Johnson's behavior - if the layman's descriptions we provided were accurate -seemed to correspond to a textbook case of paranoid disintegration, the eruption of long-suppressed irrationalities."
 
Lyndon Johnson: "textbook case of paranoid disintegration." Justifiably frightening - that man had his finger on the nuclear button. A paranoid in disintegration is not a case of a person "about" to drive his car off the cliff; a paranoid in disintegration is a person who HAS driven his car off the cliff and is freefalling into a 1,000 foot gorge. 

 

 
 
In a nutshell, the president of the United State, Lyndon Baines Johnson, the man with his finger on the nuclear button, had gone bat shit crazy by the summer of 1965. What could possibly have been weighing on his mind?
 
Murdering John Kennedy and escalating Vietnam are two things that come to mind.
 
I suggest reading The Day It Became the Longest War by Lt. Gen. Charles Cooper, USMC (Ret.) Cooper describes a fall 1965 meeting that Lyndon Johnson had with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The rub was the JCS wanted to escalate Vietnam quicker than Defense Secretary Robert McNamara would allow.
 
Lt. Gen. Cooper has a "crystal clear" memory of how that meeting went:
 
"Seemingly deep in thought, President Johnson turned his back on them for a minute or so, then suddenly discarding the calm, patient demeanor he had maintained throughout the meeting, whirled to face them and exploded. I almost dropped the map. He screamed obscenities, he cursed them personally, he ridiculed them for coming to his office with their "military advice." Noting that it was he who was carrying the weight of the free world on his shoulders, he called them filthy names: shit heads, dumb shits, pompous assholes-and used "the F-word" as an adjective more freely than a Marine in boot camp would use it. He then accused them of trying to pass the buck for World War III to him. It was unnerving, degrading. After the tantrum, he resumed the calm, relaxed manner he had displayed earlier and again folded his arms. It was as though he had punished them, cowed them, and would now control them. Using soft-spoken profanities, he said something to the effect that they all knew now that he did not care about their military advice. After disparaging their abilities, he added that he did expect their help.  He suggested that each one of them change places with him and assume that five incompetents had just made these "military recommendations." He told them that he was going to let them go through what he had to go through when idiots gave him stupid advice, adding that he had the whole damn world to worry about, and it was time to "see what kind of guts you have."

 

 
 

 

I wonder how many times Bill Moyers has seen LBJ "bring the crazy'" like that, with all the accompanying abusive behavior? Moyers must have a library of anecdotes like that which he is sitting on. Bill Moyers has described Lyndon Johnson as a "Colossus." I wonder how many anecdotes Bill Moyers have that show Lunatic Lyndon to be colossally corrupt, colossally sadistic, colossally narcisstic, colossally pathological or colossally insane?
 
Answer: a colossal amount of them.
 
What about that colossal blood feud for the better part of a decade with Robert Kennedy? A "blood feud" is defined as "a feud in which the members of hostile families or clans murder each other." In other words, blood has been spilt - that is why the hatred is so intense, so enduring. Moyers might have to address questions having unpleasant answers such as "Why was the hatred of LBJ and Robert Kennedy so over-the-top?" After Moyers left Lunatic Lyndon in 1966 he had lunch with Robert Kennedy. In LBJ's mind that was like having tea with Satan Incarnate and he and Moyers never talked again.
 
In 2007 Arthur Schlesinger's Journals 1952-2000 was published from his daily dairy. Schlesinger mentions a 1969 conversation involving Bill Moyers:
 

 

We talked a bit about the problem of writing about Johnson. Bill said, as he has said to me before (and Dick Goodwin has said even more often), that one great trouble was that no one would believe it. He said that he could not see how one could write about Johnson the private monster and Johnson the public statesman and construct a credible narrative. "He is a sick man," Bill said. At one point he and Dick Goodwin became so concerned that they decided to read up on mental illness - Dick read up on paranoia and Bill on the manic-depressive cycle.

 

Schlesinger also wrote about a January 15, 1971 conversation with McGeorge Bundy, who was the National Security Advisor under both JFK and Lyndon Johnson. I think it might be the most important passage ever written about Lyndon Johnson and it was uttered by a man who had to work hand-in-glove with this lunatic:
 

 


Last night I spoke at the annual dinner of the Century. I sat next to Mac Bundy and we discussed, among other things, the Khrushchev memoirs. I remarked on the curious resemblance between Khrushchev's account of the life around Stalin - the domineering and obsessive dictator, the total boredom of the social occasions revolving around him, the horror when invited to attend and the even greater horror when not invited - and Albert Speer's account of the life around Hitler. Mac said, "When I read Khrushchev, I was reminded of something else in addition - my last days in the White House with LBJ." [Schlesinger, Journals, p. 333]

 

I think we know why Bill Moyers has not written his memoirs of working with Lyndon Johnson.

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#2 Harold Martin

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:07 AM

Hi Greg!

I really do not know how to respond to this posting from David Lifton.  I believe that Bill Moyers is a sham artist.  Posing as a liberal thinker on his television show, while if David's posting is factual, then Moyers is nothing more than a shill for the media elite.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 01:30 PM

Hey Harold,

 

I think the article above, written by Roger Stone (not Lifton), is revelatory of the atmosphere within the LBJ White House and administration. While I think that Stone's observation about the reasons why Moyers will never write a book about LBJ is worth noting, I take exception to the notion that "LBJ murdered JFK" or that LBJ was the so-called "mastermind" behind the assassination. Keep in mind, I am saying this as one of the JFK assassination experts that contributed to the Guilty Men episode of the Men Who Killed Kennedy, which Stone cites above. However, LBJ does indeed sit quite high on the list of top level players who facilitated and, to a lesser extent, orchestrated the cover-up.


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#4 Adele Edisen

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 10:59 PM

Yes, that is Roger Stone's style.  My cardiologist gave me a copy of his book, THE MAN WHO KILLED

KENNEDY, and asked me to review it for him. which I did,   I found two glaring factual errors that

could have been easily checked out, but were not.   Stone had no objectivity in his presentation;

as far as I am concened, it was mere propaganda to make Lyndon Johnson a monster and a

murderer.  The attacks on Moyer are to reflect back on Johnson as well. 

 

When I have more time, I shall describe the two falsehoods in Stone's book.



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:30 PM

Sarah McClendon vs. JFK

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BiZZBcCx7mA

 

Was she any relation to Gordon McLendon, I wonder?

 

 

http://en.wikipedia....ndon#Early_life

 

Sarah McClendon was a friend and supporter of Senator Joe McCarthy.



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 07:36 AM

Hey Greg,

Yes I read the article as written by Stone but your preamble indicated that David Lifton asked you to post it.  I tried not to attack anyone but quite honestly I stand by my assessment of Moyers.

Agree with you that Johnson was not the mastermind of the assassination/cover-up but certainly gained from JFK's death.  Complicit perhaps and maybe more important did nothing to discover the facts behind the assassination.

I did watch the Guilty Men episode along with the other segments and with other readings and research would conclude that Johnson was more duplicitous in the aftermath of the assassination.

By the way, thanks for posting the 1999 article revealing that the CIA had possession of the tapes from the Oswald call to the embassy in Mexico.  Just another example of CIA involvement in "something" that stinks.

Harold



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 10:31 AM

You're welcome, Harold, for the CIA article. And, yes, essentially, I agree with you about Moyers and LBJ.

 

My dear friend and co-founding member, Adele, and I see eye-to-eye on most things--almost all things--except this one.

 

But, I still luv ya Adele!


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

just curious Is Mr. Lifton going to write another book? I heard about one years ago but never saw it?



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 03:47 PM

just curious Is Mr. Lifton going to write another book? I heard about one years ago but never saw it?

 

Yes, he's still working on it. Writing is hard stuff. Time consuming. If you already read Best Evidence then you know he is rather thorough in his writing and documenting even if you don't agree with everything he concludes. He didn't give me a timeframe for completion.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:15 AM

Greg wrote:

"My dear friend and co-founding member, Adele, and I see eye-to-eye on most things--almost all things--except this one.

 

But, I still luv ya Adele!"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Aaaaah, sigh, and how I luv you, too...

 

Now, for the factual errors in Stone's book.  Both are concened with Lyndon Johnson's whereabouts

on Thursday, November 21, 1963, the first day of the Texas trip by President Kennedy and certain

members of his admistration, including Vice-President Lyndon Johnson.

 

LBJ and his wife left Washington on November 12 to go to their ranch to prepare the ranch for a

post-trip visit by John Kennedy and the First Lady, and also to have LBJ work to invite as many

Texas Democrats to the Friday (22nd) evening fund-raiser in Austin after the visit to Dallas.

 

When Air Force One landed at the San Antonio International Airport on Thursday, November

21,  LBJ and Lady Bird Johnson were there to welcome and greet the Presidential party to Texas.

From there they all joined in a motorcade to the southside  to visit the various governmental

military basesd and hospitals there.  Later, after lunch, both parties returned to the Airport, 

boarded Air Force One and Air Force Two and left for Houston where they would have dinner

and give speeches.

 

From Houston, again their flights were reboarded to fly to Carswell Air Force Base northwest

of Fort Worth, landing around 11:15 pm that evening.  The two parties then motorcaded for

five miles to Fort Worth and the Hotel Terxas, arriving there around midnight.

 

Now for the first error in Stone's book.  He claims that around noontime on this day that

Lyndon Johnson met with Richard Nixon in a hotel in Dallas for some malicious reason.

Total nonsense!  Impossible,.  Guess where this lie came from.  Guess where the most

repeated lies about Lyndon Johnson came from.    Madeleine Duncan Brown.

 

The second error, and the source of this doozie of a story also  came from Madeleine.

I can't believe the people who should have known better who absolutely are convinced

that she was telling the truth.

 

Remember that LBJ was traveling with his wife, his staff, and his Secvret Service detail,

and was either in his plane, in a car, or in a group of people at various places, dinners,,

hotels or installations during this entire day.and evening.  At the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth,

he and his party went up to his suite where everyone relaxed and talked about the day's

trip.  Lyndon and Lady Bird went into their room while the others stayed up for a while

in the suite before going to their rooms.  The Secret Service agents did not leave, as those

who were guarding the President an Jackie did.

 

Madeleine Brown claimed that she was at a party at a mansion owned by the elder

Clint Murchison, a wealthy oilman.  Suddenly she sees LBJ coming into the room

where she was standing and he says to her, "After tomorrow, (that Irish Mafia),

(those S.O.B.s), (those Kennedys) will never embarress me again.  That's not a

threat.  That's a promise."

 

The three entries I gave above were stated by her in three versions she gave

in one video interview by Robert G. Ross.  He asked her for "his exact words"

and each time he asked, she replied with a different version of LBJ's statement.

Some of the other guests at this so-called party were very big names, like

J. Edgar Hoover, John McCloy, Carlos Marcello, and others too fantastic to

believe.

 

Considering the success she had with people believing her story and

repeating it as gospel truth was enough to make me undestand that "the

bigger the lie, the easier it is for people to believe it."  I don't know

who said that first, but it may have been Joseph Goebels, Propaganda 

Minister in Nazi Germany.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 03:37 AM

A question.  How many know that Lyndon Johnson, in 1967, asked his speechwriter

Horace Busby to write a short speech for him in which he declined from running

again for the presidency in 1968?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:38 PM

I too wonder why Moyers has never spoken about LBJ. But I still respect him for his journalism since. Maybe he does not want to add to the plethora of material implicating LBJ in the assassination. For decades I have thought LBJ a major player, and of course he was the immediate beneficiary of JFK's death, and instrumental in the successful coverup. But since I now think that Operation 40 is the key, I've turned in other more hidden directions.





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