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#1 Stan Wilbourne

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 10:23 PM



Joseph Trento, The Secret History of the CIA, pg 334-5:

Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York, W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960,
President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate “with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of
all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to [Pentagon aide William R.] Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting
the president or the attorney general.”


The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments
secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor, was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president.
He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.”




Robert Kennedy about what was going on in Vietnam in late summer of '63:


"The government was split in two. It was the only time, really in three years, [that] the government was broken in two in a very disturbing way."




Averell Harriman and McGeorge Bundy.  An interesting duo.  Fletcher Prouty put Harriman at the "front of the house" of his "High Cabal."



#2 Stan Wilbourne

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

Harriman appears to be the doorway to hell. 
In the "Harriman Inteview" posted on Greg's YouTube channel Harriman speaks affectionately of McGeorge Bundy, who gave him the nickname of "Old Crocodile."
Harriman was exerting his power in the summer of '63 in Vietnam with Lodge in tow.
Mike Forrestal is an interesting figure as well.  His dad, James Forrestal, was the first Secretary of Defense.  James Forrestal committed "suicide" by jumping out of a 16th floor window at Bethesda Naval Hospital in March of 1949.  Fourteen years later his son is playing a key role in the shenanigans surrounding Vietnam and the Diem brothers with Harriman.


Averell Harriman and McGeorge Bundy.  Batman and Robin of the American Establishment in 1963.


President Kennedy, Speaking on White House Tapes About "The Coup"
In JFK's own words:

Monday, November 4, 1963.  Over the weekend the coup in Saigon took place.  It culminated three months of conversation about a coup, conversation which divided the government here in Saigon.
Opposed to a coup was General Taylor, the Attorney General, Secretary McNamara to a somewhat lesser degree John McCone, partly because of an old hostility to Lodge, which causes him to lack confidence in Lodge's judgment, partly as a result of a new hostility because Lodge shifted his station chief.
In favor of the coup was State, led by Averell Harriman, George Ball, Roger Hilsman, supported by Mike Forrestal at the White House.
I feel that we must bear a good deal of the responsibility for it, beginning with our cable of early August in which we suggest the coup.  In my judgment that wire was badly drafted, it should never have been sent on a Saturday.
I should not have given my consent to it without a roundtable conference at which McNamara and Taylor could have presented their views.  While we did redress that balance in later wires, that first wire encouraged Lodge along a course to which he was in any case inclined.
Harkins continued to oppose the coup on the ground that the military effort was doing well.  There was a hard split between Saigon and the rest of the country.  Politically the situation was deteriorating.  Militarily it had not had its effect; there was a feeling, however, that it would.  For this reason, Secretary McNamara and General Taylor supported applying additional pressures to Diem and Nhu in order to move them...
I was shocked by the death of Diem and Nhu. I'd met Diem with Justice Douglas many years ago.  He was an extraordinary character.  While he became increasingly difficult in the last months, nevertheless over a a ten year period he'd held his country together, maintained its independence under very adverse conditions.  The way he was killed made it particularly abhorrent. 
The question now is whether the generals can stay together and build a stable government or whether Saigon will begin...will turn on...public opinion in Saigon, the intellectuals, students ecetera will turn on this government as repressive and un-democratic in the not too distant future.

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