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#1 Charles Drago

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 06:32 AM

In touting the upcoming "Don't Forget about Jack: The JFK Assassination" declare-the-obvious-wiith-an-air-of-discovery festival scheduled for November 13 at a Burlington, Vermont library, Jim DiEugenio publicly offered the following assessment:

 

"This looks to be a good one:

 

"Tanenbaum, Wecht, Mellen and myself.

 

"Most conferences are in the southeast or Texas, finally one in the northeast [sic]." [emphasis added]

 

"Finally"???

 

The FIRST national conference on the JFK assassination was organized by George Michael Evica and held in October, 1975 at the University of Hartford.  Jim Garrison participated.

 

Further, George Michael and I were honored to co-produce, with our colleague and dear friend Jerry Rose, the second "Third Decade" conference, held in Providence in June, 1993.

 

The self-annointed keeper of the Garrison flame and custodian of JFK assassination research facts and figures might have been expected to be aware of these facts.

 

But not by me.


"[Y]ou can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity." -- Graham Greene, The Quiet American

"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

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#2 Jim Hackett II

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 12:20 AM

Thanks Charlie -

for the 1975 conference, I heard of the conference's product and points raised thru the grapevine....slow but effective the old phone tree thing helped in its day.

If memory serves did not Judge Jim Garrison get some air time by Mr. Dan Shorr? About that time pre-HSCA???

I did not attend but recall it.

 

As for the Third Decade - Much could be applied from this confab too - most especially in the debunking and or confirming the lazy-susan of rotating stuff coming out to daylight in the early 90s.

Can't leave out the publications of the 3rd Decade in general.

 

Judge Jim seemed to me looking back to have granted more open access to Ms. Joan Mellen than some proclaiming keeping a "flame".

If y'all know what I mean.

 

The knowledge of what Judge Garrison presented to us in court and what he had to endure to guard the flame himself is revealing.

 

I don't have to wonder what Mr. Fletcher Prouty thought about the judge, nor what Judge Garrison thought of Mr. Prouty, nor do I have take another's word for what "he/they (Mr. Prouty and Judge Garrison) said".

 

If y'all know what I mean...

 

I highly value Jim Garrison's "Heritage of Stone".

Worth tracking down if curious but not about the facts of the murder so much as about that murders' consequences for WeThePeople after the facts.

 

It is the We/Us that have to keep the flame tended and fed.



#3 Tom Scully

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 11:18 PM

Thanks Charlie -

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Judge Jim seemed to me looking back to have granted more open access to Ms. Joan Mellen than some proclaiming keeping a "flame".

If y'all know what I mean.

 

The knowledge of what Judge Garrison presented to us in court and what he had to endure to guard the flame himself is revealing.

 

.........

 

I'm confused, but I realize I am not that well informed.

 

Joan Mellen and her husband, Ralph Schoenman first met Garrison just months after the Shaw trial verdict.: My Investigation of the Garrison Investigation, New Orleans, Louisiana, October 17, 2015
http://joanmellen.co...ctober-17-2015/
………………………..

 

Is your curiousity at all heightened considering Joan Mellen met Garrison in 1970, claimed she interviewed 1200 people in the course of writing her book on Garrison, yet she told Rex Bradford in the 2006 interview I linked to, that;

 

https://www.maryferr...Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. …. and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
……..
JOAN: –…when (Atty. Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people.……

 

 

http://maryferrell.o...…d=176&tab=page
2of2 Garrison 06/18/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
(Top of right side column)
…It should be added that the last described endeavor has been accomplished not by members of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency…

 

 

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I find it interesting that CIA’s Dorothy Brandao married John Miceli in 1939. He died in 1953. His brother Augusto was best man in their wedding. Augusto was Standard Fruit’s in-house counsel, Garrison’s law partner, Deutsch was hired counsel.

 

https://www.maryferr...&types=M&from=1
Found in: Mary Ferrell’s Database
Burke, Jr.; Hunter C. Leake, III; Stephen B. Lemann (resident CIA Chief in New Orleans – with Law Firm: Monroe & Lemann); Mrs. Dorothy Brandao

 

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Times-Picayune, The (New Orleans, LA) — Saturday, July 5, 2003
Dorothy Agnes Brandao, a retired Central Intelligence Agency field agent, died Sunday at Chateau de Notre Dame. She was 92. Ms. Brandao was a lifelong resident of New Orleans. She was a graduate of Newcomb College and the University of Iowa. She was a member of St. Charles Avenue Presbyterian Church and the Orleans Club. After retiring from the CIA, she worked for the New Orleans Tourist Commission for several years. There are no survivors…

 

 

https://casetext.com...ip-co-v-hampton
STANDARD FRUIT and STEAMSHIP COMPANY, Appellant, v. … Deutsch, Kerrigan Stiles, New Orleans, La., Eberhard P. Deutsch, Augusto P. Miceli,…..

http://www.honduras....in-honduras/12/
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The 1920’s were a real challenge for division managers. After the passing away of Vicente D’Antoni, the division was managed by both Carmelo D’Antoni and by John Miceli, who did so, along with their other responsibilities on an off and on basis. This went on until 1922, when Biagio D’Antoni was assigned the position.

John Miceli – http://specialcollec...&disabletheme=1

 

INCA DINKA DO*
by Jerry D. Rose
This article originally published in The Fourth Decade Vol. 4, #3, Mar. 1997.                                                                      http://www.assassina....com/roseb1.htm
………For all these and other instances of Garrison-bashing by INCA, there is nothing in the published record (that I know of) to indicate that Garrison ever did contemplate prosecution and/or public vilification of INCA. In neither of Garrison's two books on the assassination is there any mention of INCA, Butler or Ochsner (and even the name Bringuier does not appear in the index to the second book). (22)......                                                                          
......Beyond the T&C connections to INCA represented by Robertson, Shilstone and Raul, there is at least one other likely connection. In reporting the formation of T&C, James and Wardlaw mention a few additional members, namely Eberhard Deutsch, John Mmahat, Edmond G. Miranne, Harold Cook and Lawrence Merrigan. (33) The name of Deutsch jumps out of that list, since he is an attorney whose name appears on the letterhead of the Directors of INCA. (34) Deutsch has been described by Scott (who was probably unaware of his T&C connection) as the General Counsel of Standard Fruit and as "Jim Garrison's former law partner and political mentor." (35).......…INCA, which was supposedly in mortal combat with the Garrison investigation, has at least 4 of its associates among the leaders of Truth and Consequences, the money bag outfit for the Garrison investigation….....    
http://www.nola.com/...or_mary_sh.html
on July 18, 2014 at 4:30 PM, updated July 21, 2014
…the New Orleans’ firm Monroe & Lemann. Partner Stephen B. Lemann has been alleged by JFK theorists to have been chief over all New Orleans-based CIA operatives. ….

 

 

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Stephen B Lemann announces appointment of Walter J Machann

(aka Father Machann) : (July, 1965)

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http://www.amazon.co...uct_top?ie=UTF8
Man of a Million Fragments: The True Story of Clay Shaw (Paperback)
by Donald H. Carpenter
Page 145 –

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#4 Tom Scully

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 11:20 PM

.....continued from post above -
 

 

https://www.maryferr...Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. …. and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
……..
JOAN: –…when (Atty. Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people.……

 

 

http://www.amazon.co...uct_top?ie=UTF8
Man of a Million Fragments: The True Story of Clay Shaw (Paperback)
by Donald H. Carpenter
Page 156 –

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#5 Tom Scully

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 11:55 PM

continued from post above -

 

 

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http://www.thecrimso...rnalist/?page=2
Anthony Lewis ’48, Pulitzer Winner and Crimson Mentor, Dies at 85
By Nicholas P. Fandos, CRIMSON STAFF WRITER March 26, 2013
Pg 1 of 2.......
...But even as The Crimson shaped Lewis, he, in turn, shaped the organization. Over decades as an active member of the paper’s graduate board and one of its three trustees, he was the champion of quality journalism and the model for every young Crimson editor that hoped one day to make it in the world of print.

“You were in a situation where everyone’s parents were begging them not to go into journalism, and you wanted to have some visible role model,” said Nicholas B. Lemann ’76, the dean of Columbia University School of Journalism. “A lot of his influence was just modeling for us what a happy and an honored career in journalism could look like, and it looked pretty good.”

.......“At a liberal moment in American history, he was one of the defining liberal voices,” Lemann said.

 

 

http://joanmellen.co...corroborated/2/
........
(When I mentioned that I was working on a book about Garrison to the late New York Times columnist, Anthony Lewis, at a conference at NYU on the subject of 9/11, Lewis literally turned white. CIA’s friends in the media continued in their efforts to discredit Jim Garrison long after his death).

 

 

Oliver Stone protested :

http://www.nytimes.c...age-381592.html
Published: February 3, 1992
To the Editor:

Anthony Lewis’s Jan. 9 column is only one in a series of attacks in The Times on me and the movie “J.F.K.” and, in fact, on anything that questions the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President Kennedy…..
….. Inaccuracies aside, I find Mr. Lewis’s charade of civil libertarian concern far more disturbing. Mr. Lewis asserts that Jim Garrison “bribed witnesses to prosecute an innocent man.” The “bribed” witnesses all signed affidavits denying the allegations, and Clay Shaw — the “innocent man” — won an acquittal. I do not question that verdict. While Mr. Lewis and you excoriate Jim Garrison for taking a man to trial (after several hearings on the evidence), neither shows remorse in calling Oswald “Kennedy’s assassin,” though he was never tried, convicted or even allowed legal representation in Dallas.

In 1964, Mr. Lewis wrote of the Warren Report: “Few who loved John Kennedy, or this country, will be able to read it without emotion.” For some, like myself, the emotion is outrage. For Mr. Lewis and The Times, it’s complacency. OLIVER STONE Los Angeles, Jan. 9, 1992

Here is the link to Nicholas Lemann and Zachary Sklar trading letters in GQ, after the Lemann’s Jan., 1992 article was published…..

Lemann responds on pg. 2, to Sklar’s letter which begins on pg 1.:

http://jfk.hood.edu/...rly/Item 02.pdf

No disclosure in Nicholas’s rebuttal to Zachary Sklar, or from Sklar about Lemann’s conflicts/background:

https://books.google...ne of*"&f=false
JFK: The Book of the Film : the Documented Screenplay
By Oliver Stone, Zachary Sklar

“…..Evidently GQ has forgotten one of the fundamental rules of American journalism: Give the readers both sides of the story. The case for Jim Garrison is not to be found in your pages. Lemann’s glib charges are so sweeping that it’s impossible to respond to all of them in a letter. I suggest anyone interested in Garrison’s case read On the Trail of the Assassins, the former New Orleans district attorney’s own account of his investigation. As the editor of this book, and co-screenwriter of Oliver Stone’s JFK, I take issue with several of Lemann’s unfounded assertions…..”

Stone claims “JFK, the movie” cost $41 million, yet he seems as out of the loop as Joan Mellen, and Jim DiEugenio….

Harold Weisberg was also “taken in” by David Baldwin’s close friend and his successor as PR man at the trade mart, Jesse R. Cole, III.:

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/...sse/Item 12.pdf
Harold Weisberg befriends Jesse Core. I find no mention of David Baldwin in the Weisberg archives.
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"Hiding" in plain sight.....

 

https://www.aei.org/...eans-mon-amour/
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New Orleans, Mon Amour
......But as a preliminary step I paid a call on an old acquaintance, Thomas B. Lemann , a lawyer well known to the city’s establishment. He lives not far from Audubon Park in an area that was not flooded. Although he recently turned 80, he still practices law and nowadays has an office on the 50th floor of One Shell Square on Poydras Street.

Tommy Lemann, as he is called by nearly everyone, is a colorful figure with the air of a mandarin. He is married to the New Orleans novelist Sheila Bosworth, and he’s a great collector of facts on obscure topics—Scottish glens, these days. For years, he made meticulous notes on the quality of the oysters he consumed daily for lunch at an oyster bar called The Pearl, in the Central Business District. Today, however, The Pearl, also prominent for the huge roast turkey in the window that was carved each day for sandwiches, is closed, and the consumption of oysters now requires a trek into the French Quarter. Tommy Lemann doesn’t have time for that. But he has kept all his “oyster grades” in an elaborate filing system, and he thinks that they should be published someday........

http://www.washingto...911.lemann.html
Windmills, Revisited

The once and future mission of the Washington Monthly.
By Nicholas Lemann
  
I reported for duty at the Washington Monthly on July 1, 1976. ...
.....The Monthly, methodologically, was
always reportorial, and it was never conservative—but, when I joined the magazine, the other editorial employee besides me and Charlie was Tom Bethell, an actual conservative, and it seemed as if the magazine devoted its main energies to attacking conventional liberal positions. When I first came to the magazine’s office for my job interview in the winter of 1976, I was amazed to see an issue just back from the printer’s with the cover line “CRIMINALS BELONG IN JAIL.” Charlie thought we would purify liberalism, the naturally dominant strain in American politics since his New Deal childhood in West Virginia, by relentlessly ridding it of tired, automatic bromides and by insisting that liberals see government’s performance as it actually was, not as liberals wished it to be. He wanted to understand and call attention to government’s failures so that in the future it would work properly, not so that people would stop believing government could solve problems. Nonetheless, issue by issue, this entailed criticizing liberals more often than conservatives.,,,



#6 Jim Hackett II

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 12:44 AM

Uh OK agenda acknowledged.

Ignored but acknowledged.

 

"Conservative/Liberal"? Agenda exposed..

 

max - nix.... same same to me. Just assholes wearing labels of political liars.

To the real issues involved, and real quick and easy.

 

 

I'll take as real and apply the grand jury transcripts and trial transcripts preserved by a disobedient employee of the courts.

As well as the judicial review by a panel of judges that the case was more than enough to proceed to trial.

The court records and transcripts carry more weight to me than after the fact efforts to disparage the events/case.

Records saved from Harry Connick's ordered destruction when he held the power to deceive as an officer of the court.

Saved by a disobedient court officer that knew justice was more important than a career.

 

I doubt any can call that cherry picking data as opposed to the best available resources to "judge" Jim Garrison.

What can ever be expected from a pig but a grunt?

After the fact the attacks on Garrison came hot and heavy aided we now know by Dick(head) Helms -

before, during and after the trial. As well as the Media assets noted above in profusion of that era.

Most revealed as falsified and discarded as bullshit in court later.

As Johnny Carson demonstrated his choice nationwide.

As Mort Sahl gave up his media career in choosing his side.

Easy for me to decide which I'd prefer to have had a beer with.

 

Liberal/Conservative?

No the issue is dedication to service to WeThePeople and Our Republic

as opposed to service to Empire and the Status Quo not any political labels.

A so called "liberal" took my generation into SE Asia (LBJ)

A so called "conservative" (Nixon) kept us there killing more Americans in his day in office than all casualties from Sept. 2, 1945 to Jan. 21, 1969. Fact not smoke screen of cover-up.

 

Both sides of the coin are shit dipped to me.

Neither worthy of office.

 

I'll judge many by the company they keep and authors too.

I judge all politicians not by what side of the isle they reside on for now.....

I judge all public figures politicians/media talking heads and all public figures by actions they undertake BEFORE they decide to "run for office" or try for the headliners job at ABC NBC CBS FOX and etc....Before they knew they were going to be exposed to scrutiny.

 

Same for authors -

My choice is MY Choice....

I own many works involving Judge Garrison and his attempt to force a redo of the Warren endorsed bullshit.

I prefer some over others - if you know what I mean.

William Davy and Joan Mellen are two of the better authors of Garrison works.

And "Heritage of Stone" by Garrison is worth reading too.






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