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#1 Harold Martin

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:52 AM

I begin this topic with Bill Moyers and Nicholas Katzenbach and their influence on the cover-up of the JFK assassination.

As most researchers know, it is the memo written by Moyers and Katzenbach that began a verifiable hiding of facts and the direction that any investigation would follow.  That is not to say that they were necessarily active in the assassination or cover-up but rather were instrumental in how the Warren Commission and the FBI investigated Lee Harvey Oswald.  True that Oswald was dead at the time the memo was written and it might even be credible that they wanted to put JFK's death behind the national psyche, however, they both did their spin on the memo AFTER is was declassified and became part of the known information.

Unfortunately, Katzenbach can no longer be held accountable for his role in this nightmare.  But Moyers is still around presenting himself as a liberal with his own PBS show and website.  Perhaps it is time for Mr. Moyers to come clean and accept his responsible for the state the nation as it exists toward the assassination?

Finally, Caroline Kennedy I find almost repulsive in her attitude toward her father's death.  She seems more than willing to use JFK's death for HER benefit but completely unwilling to open files, data, information and evidence that could help to answer questions.

She can decide to remove the restrictions on assassination material that has been classified until AFTER the death of JFK's last child, ie Caroline Kennedy.

For myself, I am no longer willing to accept the argument of how much the Kennedy family has suffered and how they must be protected and guarded from related information about the assassination.  The American people have a right to see ALL the information available; not only what Caroline would like revealed publicly.

Sorry if this sounds like a diatribe but honestly until all information is declassified any conclusion can only be partially correct.

Thanks for reading this and I would love to read positive and negative feedback.

 


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:50 AM

As secular sacrilege, the presentation by Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg of a Profiles in Courage Award to Gerald Ford is second only to Mt. Rushmore.


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#3 Harold Martin

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:36 AM

Absolutely agree Charles.  The man with the "fix" in the Warren Report receiving that award is ludicrous!  Thanks for the response.

Harold



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 01:54 AM

Dick lived on Cape Cod and had seven phones for political organizing.  Jerry's dad was a corporate executive and they rode the elevator with Jack Parr.  Peter would be a professor. I would wind up on the docks with Eric Hoffer.  We drove a station wagon all night to the Nixon Counterinnaugural the day before his official first oath in January 1969.

 

Mark Rudd and his platoon of red-armbanded Maoists jogged by us on the street with our cameras film and still, our tape recorder to catch the chants.  Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh the NLF is gonna win--and one of the Weatherboys peeled off to cross to the iron door of Justice and bang its giant knocker (Gene Wilder!) and I looked up the shirtsleeved lawyers in the second floor windows grinning and flipping the bird, the continuity layer from LBJ to Nixon et seq

 

Harold, I hadn't noticed this event at the time but found a photo of Ford flanked by Caroline and Ted at the event.

 

Caroline has written a lengthy essay on Ford's qualifications for the award including quoting his rationalization for pardoning Nixon:

 

"Because the specter of Vietnam, on the one hand, and Watergate, on the other, loomed so large, I found myself, in effect, running two campaigns: the first to win a full term. And the second to restore the shattered confidence of the American people in their democratic institutions. I was unsuccessful, as we all know, in the first. But as I left Washington, I could take some consolation in knowing that the national mood was different from what it had been just a few years earlier."  http://www.ontheissu...Gerald_Ford.htm

 

I note in her entire treatise she eschews mention of Ford on the execrable commission as does Ted in his remarks at the presentation:

 

At a time of national turmoil, America was fortunate that it was Gerald Ford who took the helm of the storm-tossed ship of state. Unlike many of us at the time, President Ford recognized that the nation had to move forward, and could not do so if there was a continuing effort to prosecute former President Nixon. So President Ford made a courageous decision, one that historians now say cost him his office, and he pardoned Richard Nixon.

 

I was one of those who spoke out against his action then. But time has a way of clarifying past events, and now we see that President Ford was right. His courage and dedication to our country made it possible for us to begin the process of healing and put the tragedy of Watergate behind us. He eminently deserves this award, and we are proud of his achievement. http://www.jfklibrar...d-2001.aspx?t=4

 

 

I prefer the bold comments of Robert F Kennedy Jr to Charlie Rose in re his father suspecting rogue CIA, his citing Douglass' Unspeakable

 

Caroline and Ted pretend the security state did not murder the father, the brother.  A cost-benefit analysis which puts personal survival--or survival as a wealthy public figure--before truth and justice.

 

Rather than risk the ridicule, intimidation, smears and deniable murder, they bow and scrape.

 

Of course this security state, this oligarchy, this grand cabal continues; predated the 35th, and extends to the horizon with an asterix

 

Moyers is emetic.  Katzenbach a lawyer.  Both willing handmaidens to the fascist dark matter

 

Prancing in liberal drag

 

Caroline is pathetic

 

Her brother was murdered.  Her uncle.  Her father.

 

She is a Hollow Woman headpiece full of straw

 

Ted self-pickled until canned

 

We might bring up his investigator who was shot dead pursuing the truth of his brothers' murders

 

We might consider the Esquire quote attributed to him in 1969:

 

They're going to shoot my ass off the way they shot Bobby. —Edward M. Kennedy, 1969 http://www.esquire.c...ly-history-0110

 

Unless I eschew the topic adopt protective coloration perhaps the tiger will eat me last

 

Ford of course moved the T-3 shallow nontransiting wound to fit the single bullet theory which framed the patsy and cloaked the true chain of sponsor-facilitator-mechanic--thus carving for himself a facilitator billet

 

So the obscene diarrhama of Caroline and Jerry and Ted oh my--three self-blinded mice

 

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:23 AM

Could not agree with you more Phil about Moyers and Katzenbach.  As for Caroline, I often wonder why she continues to give herself kudos when none are warranted.  Perhaps it is the bane of the wealthy or maybe just the narcissist.

Is it possible that Caroline is just another cog in the media wheel of denial?

Thanks Phil



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 10:49 AM

Caroline is the victim of a most brutal crime; of a nature with which none of us can even remotely identify. Because of her age at

the time of the assassination, the event was more likely even harder on her than it was on her brother. Fear can place a person in a

straight jacket, perhaps for their entire life. Recurrent evidence may have suggested to her that such paralytic fear is warranted by

subsequent triggers of its justification, such as, the assassination of her Uncle Bobby, first--soon followed by the complete character

assassination of her Uncle Ted over Chappaquiddick--then ultimately cemented in stone decades later by the assassination of her own

brother, John Jr, right after he began spreading his political wings.

 

I care not to speculate about her too much. I suspect there are factors beyond our grasp at play. After all, under some conditions, not

all of which need be trauma based as her's are, the psychological defense mechanism of denial can actually be mentally healthy. In

this case it may not be so much a state of denial, but one of acceptance. Her job in life need not be to live up to my expectations.

 

Having said all of that, The Ford Award stunk.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:50 PM

By MIKE FEINSILBER
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (July 2) - Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford took pen in
hand and changed - ever so slightly - the Warren Commission's key sentence
on the place where a bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body when he was
killed in Dallas.

The effect of Ford's change was to strengthen the commission's conclusion
that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas
Gov. John Connally - a crucial element in its finding that Lee Harvey
Oswald was the sole gunman.

A small change, said Ford on Wednesday when it came to light, one intended
to clarify meaning, not alter history.

''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a
telephone interview from Beaver Creek, Colo. ''My changes were only an
attempt to be more precise.''

But still, his editing was seized upon by members of the conspiracy
community, which rejects the commission's conclusion that Oswald acted
alone.

''This is the most significant lie in the whole Warren Commission
report,'' said Robert D. Morningstar, a computer systems specialist in New
York City who said he has studied the assassination since it occurred and
written an Internet book about it.

The effect of Ford's editing, Morningstar said, was to suggest that a
bullet struck Kennedy in the neck, ''raising the wound two or three
inches. Without that alteration, they could never have hoodwinked the
public as to the true number of assassins.''

If the bullet had hit Kennedy in the back, it could not have struck
Connolly in the way the commission said it did, he said.

The Warren Commission concluded in 1964 that a single bullet - fired by a
''discontented'' Oswald - passed through Kennedy's body and wounded his
fellow motorcade passenger, Connally, and that a second, fatal bullet,
fired from the same place, tore through Kennedy's head.

The assassination of the president occurred Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas;
Oswald was arrested that day but was shot and killed two days later as he
was being transferred from the city jail to the county jail.

Conspiracy theorists reject the idea that a single bullet could have hit
both Kennedy and Connally and done such damage. Thus they argue that a
second gunman must have been involved.

Ford's changes tend to support the single-bullet theory by making a
specific point that the bullet entered Kennedy's body ''at the back of his
neck'' rather than in his uppermost back, as the commission staff
originally wrote.

Ford's handwritten notes were contained in 40,000 pages of records kept by
J. Lee Rankin, chief counsel of the Warren Commission.

They were made public Wednesday by the Assassination Record Review Board,
an agency created by Congress to amass all relevant evidence in the case.
The documents will be available to the public in the National Archives.

The staff of the commission had written: ''A bullet had entered his back
at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine.''

Ford suggested changing that to read: ''A bullet had entered the back of
his neck at a point slightly to the right of the spine.''

The final report said: ''A bullet had entered the base of the back of his
neck slightly to the right of the spine.''

Ford, then House Republican leader and later elevated to the presidency
with the 1974 resignation of Richard Nixon, is the sole surviving member
of the seven-member commission chaired by Chief Justice Earl Warren

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:57 PM

Gerald Ford's Terrible Fiction...by George Michael Evica..


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Posted 19 April 2014 - 07:30 AM

Thanks Greg for your insight!  I do believe Caroline suffered from the effects of her father's assassination but as a trauma after the act.  I have dealt with trauma of a severe nature and certainly denial is part of the healing process. 

In Caroline's case, I see no reason to view her as a 5 year old who lost her father.  She is a grown woman who certainly makes her decisions regarding the Kennedy family. 

Yes I agree she does not have to live up to my expectations.  But from a legal standpoint, Caroline has the ability to release those records that are controlled by the Kennedy "deal" with the government and sealed until 2029.

Maybe that's too much to ask of her.   I don't have the answer.



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Posted 19 April 2014 - 07:48 AM

Harold,

 

I have alternately struggled first with anger and then with acceptance of the fact that the Kennedy's allegedly control some of the evidence in this case. My

anger is leveled mostly against my own government for not forcing the issue. The guardianship belongs to the People of the USA, not to the government's

convenient foster parents-in-law. I suspect that there remains concern over the "health of the Union" if the truth should ever be revealed. However, I too

want those records released...NOW. --And I don't have the answer either.


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Posted 19 April 2014 - 07:52 AM

Thanks Bernice!  Like Moyers and Katzenbach, Ford was adept at denying his complicity after the fact.  Have you read Ford's notes about the change?  His thought process at the time would be of interest if the thoughts were his.



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Posted 19 April 2014 - 08:08 AM

Hi Greg!

Yes it has been a long journey of over 50 years now trying to make sense of the attitude from the Kennedy family and the government.  Perhaps you are correct in the analogy about foster parents and the concern about the health of the union.  But when so much secrecy is involved over a crime committed so long ago I have to question the spin and deniability over the Kennedy assassination.

Does the CIA really want us, the American people, to believe the CIA are using techniques 50 years old?  Is there relevance to keeping any assassination records secret under the guise of national security?  Perhaps that is why the CIA refuses to release all the documents and records about the Bay of Pigs operation.

I enjoy reading your insight into the assassination and appreciate having this forum to explore more meaningful concepts whether negative or positive.

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 09:15 AM

"Concern for the health of the union" as a legitimate reason for withholding release of remaining JFK assassination files and otherwise hiding the truth is the equivalent of declining to have a large, painful, oozing breast lump examined out of fear that the diagnosis will prove fatal.

 

In both instances, the patients are almost certainly terminal.

 

And let's be accurate: "the CIA" is merely following instructions when it erects statutory roadblocks to access to its pertinent JFK files.  

 

The wrench does not twist the engineer.

 

Most significantly:  The slaughter of John Kennedy was not ordered to protect and preserve the assets of any nation or commonly pointed-to special interest groups -- a/k/a False Sponsors.  Until we understand the event as the flawless operation of a very old, self-correcting system -- a magnificent if malevolent power generator lubricated by blood -- we shall have not the slightest chance whatsoever of effecting justice for JFK and for all those who, through the centuries, have been directly and collaterally damaged by the machine's owners and operators.

 

Today's Kennedys have no right to avoid the choice.  Each must decide if they will be part of the problem or part of the solution.

 

God bless RFK, Jr.


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"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:33 AM

Hi Charles!

Insightful look at the assassination.  Perhaps you are right about RFK, Jr making that difficult choice.  Seems Caroline has made her choice too.

If the CIA is not the engineer driving the train leading to long hours in the court system, what bureaucracy do you believe is still spinning the truth or at least avoiding it?



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:19 AM

Greetings Harold,

 

It's rewarding to exchange ideas with you.

 

Imprecise language continues to bedevil the common work of the overwhelming majority of honorable JFK assassination scholars and researchers.  The prime example remains the inartfully and nonsensical query, "Who did it?"

 

The only sensible reply: "Who did what?:

 

Another devastatingly naive statement: "The CIA did it."  (If you wish, substitute "organized crime" or "big business" or "big oil" or "anti-Castro Cubans" or any other False Sponsor[s].)

 

The CIA is a tool in the carpenters' tool belt.  Nothing more, nothing less.

 

And yes, that tool is one of many being used to make a show of blocking access to evidence -- but not because there are any "smoking guns" to be discovered in the files we would open.

 

Rather, the objectives of this operation are to keep us misdirected and confused and oppressed.  

 

The objective of the larger cover-up is not to convince anyone of anything but this:  We are doomed to an eternity of confusion and doubt, and thus impotent.

 

Ignorance is a kind of slavery.


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"If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence. He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave." -- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods

a wind has blown the rain away and blown
the sky away and all the leaves away,
and the trees stand. i think i too have known
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Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:10 AM

Hi Charles

I find it rewarding to exchange ideas with you also.  Ignorance IS slavery so I agree with education being necessary for any free person.

I stopped asking "Who" did it a long time ago.  Seems pointless and as  you noted only leads to more confusion.

It does seem that government sponsored reviews of the assassination always begins with the Warren Report and its volumes of "evidence".  One cannot progress the truth if the beginning is false.

When is a democracy no longer a democracy?  When the government no longer trusts the people.  Over simplified to be sure but the essence is honesty.  As I started this topic with Moyers and Katzenbach, it was their dishonesty in the very beginning and further given credence by whoever approved of their actions and classifying the memo from public view which taints and tarnishes most honest investigations.

Is Caroline complicit?  Not in the beginning, too young.  As Greg pointed out, she was a victim of the assassination too.  But she could release documents sealed until her death. 

I think there is a plethora of individuals and groups that perpetuate ignorance and cover-up as you noted.   I am always left wondering what results the HSCA might have concluded had Richard Sprague been left in the position to investigate the assassination as a cold homicide.



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 05:21 AM

So, the Central Intelligence Agency as the sword and the shield of the cabal, a term of art for the sponsors unnamed and unknown.

 

A current commentator on the cyber scene stipulates NSA creates anxiety with horror stories of cyber war in order to increase its power.

 

The billionaires or oligarchy would appear to be certain hedge fund players as we learn of the flashboy phenomenon, the nanosecond between fortune and loss in contemporary trading.

 

Snowden the Brotherhood's Goldstein subject of the Two Minutes' Hate says NSA surveills for corporate gain, social control, diplomatic maneuvering.

 

Kennedy was an obstacle to the power olympus and it sent down its order for a thunderbolt administered by experienced technicians.

 

Ford abetted the killers with his Big Lie and was rewarded with a brief presidency when Helms' timed release poisoning of Nixon (aided by ONI spook Woodward) went critical August 8, 1974. 

 

Ford could do the bidding of his superiors, appoint Rockefeller to whitewash CIA, and GHWBush to sanitize the target list for the sham committee.

 

Had Sprague chaired instead of Blakey, the CIA would've got a proctological exam instead of the professor's lips on its rump.

 

Caroline may be paralyzed with fear by the cobra.  The team in Stephen King's It responded differently to the dread.  One committed suicide.

 

In reading Cottrell on Gladio it's quite clear the NATO stay behind resources were used for acts of terror to drive the people to the state for protection.

 

Surely Kevin Ryan's Another Nineteen with Tony Szamboti's various engineering papers describe another Northwoods to accomplish just such quantum leap in central power.

 

Webb's investigation led him to accuse CIA of smuggling cocaine and creating crack for black funds and urban pacification.

 

That Webb committed suicide with two shots indicates his danger, just as Hasting's Mercedes hack prevented his threat from realization.

 

This machine Charles describes acts to protect itself through such actions, and to conceal itself through compartmentalization, cutouts, deniability, and cognitive dissonance.

 

Such is the subject of Cass Sunstein--behold an official policy of disinformation.

 

We saw the request by McDill AFB for software to operate artificial online personalities.  Now in Operation Earnest Voice we see it used to create false consensus.  http://beforeitsnews...ice-491429.html

 

We have the octopus of NRO boasting Nothing Is Beyond Our Reach as the former MI6 officer in the Person of Interest episode pushes Decima the next generation total surveillance because "information dominance is the new power" and O'Brien told Winston Smith "we're simply after the power devoid of ideology"

 

As Charles notes the sponsors are above national, religious, ideological differences

 

It would appear to be about the power

 

Thus far the topic of nomenclature parallels Zen in that the sponsor which can be named is not the true sponsor

 

As Cliff indicated Harriman's agency in the Diem-Nhu murders we may see linkages but I believe the curtain has not been parted

 

We have a Federal Reserve which can create trillions but a hedge fund oligarchy which can destroy them (2008) in an instant and no one has a clue how it was done, and as they are too big to fail they cannot be punished

 

The Utah NSA data center will downlink the satellite nets and internet and telephone taps

 

The throwaway is if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear

 

The problem is that with unrestricted government everyone is a criminal awaiting prosecution

 

Or as Stalin's henchmen said

 

Give me the man and I'll give you the crime

 

John F Kennedy was an obstacle to that; Robert was a looming threat; Ted was pre-empted as was JFK Jr

 

RFK Jr has ridden a few tigers; Caroline eschews such

 

When Gates told Leahy "Senator, all governments lie to each other; it's how business gets done" he might've added "they lie to their citizens"

 

They have no choice.  Always take the silver or the lead,  plata o plomo.  And never presume to have freedom of will to govern.

 

That was the mistake of the last president, the 35th.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:36 AM

Hi Phil,

It would seem that the entire intelligence community in the USA sprung like a tiger to ensnare us in fear and terror after 9/11.  The Patriot Act most notable and perhaps the crowning plume in their hat of controlling the freedoms of Americans.

Control is necessary for power and whether its the FBI, CIA, NSA or any of the other alphabet soup agencies of intelligence they will surely not give up their gains.

I sometimes believe we will never return to free speech.  I can only hope I am wrong.

Thanks Phil for your insights.



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 05:37 AM

So it's all about power and control for amusement ?!  It can't be for the pursuit of wealth (how much more do you need when you already own the presses?)  It's like we're ants at the mercy of a kid with his pointy stick and a can of lighter fluid. Those with a conscious and empathy have difficulty understanding a sociopath. So we keep trying to make sense of the senseless. The only answer to the question why ....is because they can .... and they are the .01%.

 

(Sorry if this rambling musing on my part is off topic. It's just my wrestling with the implications of what you gentlemen and lady posted above)



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Posted 07 October 2014 - 05:28 AM

Harold, above, on April 24, you reference 9/11:

 

It would seem that the entire intelligence community in the USA sprung like a tiger to ensnare us in fear and terror after 9/11.  The Patriot Act most notable and perhaps the crowning plume in their hat of controlling the freedoms of Americans.

 

The National Reconnaissance Office satellite bears the logo of an octopus and the motto "Nothing Is Beyond Our Reach"

 

Chuck, above, two days ago, you continue the theme of control:

 

So it's all about power and control for amusement ?!  It can't be for the pursuit of wealth (how much more do you need when you already own the presses?)

 

The past century has been under the Federal Reserve; at its midpoint President Kennedy in his Executive Order 11110 acted outside its monopoly.

 

Charles indicates a machine transcending states, hence the deep state of Scott is perhaps above the base, something as old as civilization.

 

Stan indicates a prison-like consciousness with governments as wardens

 

Today it seems clear to me a government-media-academia troika are determined to determine reality for you and me

 

A recent metaphor was the Matrix series, broad and simple, a psychological battleground

 

Where does the continuing smear of John F. Kennedy originate?  The lie that Lee was a Marxist and an assassin, the assassin?

 

History is written by the victors.

 

As Greg shows the history of the JFK Administration is throughly fabricated, falsified, hidden.

 

Another wave of barbarians to destroy the gods of their conquered subjects and glorify themselves.

 

Information supremacy as the crown of the military arsenal but in Sun Tzu the battle won without a fight is the most desired.

 

I found two more fellows tonight with immense skepticism regarding the dogma, with growing certainty of conspiracy.

 

The troika even fabricates internet personae in the manner of a Sunstein gambit.

 

Questioning the power.  Renouncing ignorance and arrogance.

 

The value of the Unspeakable of Douglass is that it is a utile dramatic construct, a teaching aid, the holodeck on which we experience the miasma of malevolent power.

 

Aspects of Charles' machine tearing into the idealist dangerously close to peace

 

Drawing the world back into war

 

Death makes a contract with the wicked, delay for power

 

Specter tried to buy back his soul from Salandria

 

Do we really think 9/11 occurred as it is told by NIST and that Commission of the Usual Useful Idiots

 

All watched over by a machine of infinite malevolence

 

I found Kevin Ryan, Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects to be helpful when used with the papers of engineer Tony Szamboti

 

No lone gunman, no planeless collapse

 

The emperor is naked thanks to the same tailor throughout the ages


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