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#1 Greg Burnham

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 07:46 AM

Not even a single "re-enactment" film should have been required!

 

Think about it:

 

Two armed robbers enter a bank and demand that the teller give them all the cash in their drawer. After they have the cash they tie the employees' hands together and put gags in their mouths before getting away. Luckily, the robbers wore no masks and the entire episode was recorded by a security camera. When the police arrive the robbers have vanished. Shortly after that the FBI arrive on scene since bank robbery is a federal offense.

 

Can you imagine the city police AND the FBI separately coming back days later to each shoot a "re-enactment film" of the crime? For what purpose would they do such a thing? They already have the REAL film of the entire crime in their possession.

 

If they already had the REAL DEAL on film a "re-enactment" film serves absolutely no innocuous purpose. This is particularly evident due to the fact that they shot part of the films from the exact location from which the REAL film was shot!

 

However, such an otherwise extraneous film could serve several "not so innocent" purposes. 

 

[Below: Secret Service Re-enactment Film. Portion shot from the Zapruder pedestal is near the end of the film.]

 



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#2 Herbert Blenner

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 08:17 PM

Not even a single "re-enactment" film should have been required!

 

Think about it:

 

Two armed robbers enter a bank and demand that the teller give them all the cash in their drawer. After they have the cash they tie the employees' hands together and put gags in their mouths before getting away. Luckily, the robbers wore no masks and the entire episode was recorded by a security camera. When the police arrive the robbers have vanished. Shortly after that the FBI arrive on scene since bank robbery is a federal offense.

 

Can you imagine the city police AND the FBI separately coming back days later to each shoot a "re-enactment film" of the crime? For what purpose would they do such a thing? They already have the REAL film of the entire crime in their possession.

 

If they already had the REAL DEAL on film a "re-enactment" film serves absolutely no innocuous purpose. This is particularly evident due to the fact that they shot part of the films from the exact location from which the REAL film was shot!

 

However, such an otherwise extraneous film could serve several "not so innocent" purposes. 

 

[Below: Secret Service Re-enactment Film. Portion shot from the Zapruder pedestal is near the end of the film.]

 


 

 

 

I suggest that the recreations had the purpose of testing whether an intended alteration of the Zapruder film could pass the test of recreation.


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 10:40 AM

Scott Myers did a thing about the recreated rerun and it fits well with other independent surveyor plat study, fwiw.

 

If only the USG deserved the trust granted too easily in 1964.

 

Indeed today too much is in evidence to place acceptance of the Z-toon as reality.

 

Doug Horne, Dino Brugioni and Dr. John Costella have shown any that care to know that:

 

WE WUZ HAD! And that the Z-toon is central to the deceptions ongoing.

 

Little wonder that Max Holland and Larry Dunkle and the other Disney hirelings refer so damn often to the "time clock of the assassination" in the bogus cartoon of Abe (white Russian CIA asset IMHO).

 

I never imagined my own government would pile the crap so high for so damn long.

 

And we still fight the old junk "the government killed Kenndy but what are you gonna do about it"?

 

Each time the USGovernment investigated the 63 murder a BS definition of the crime comes out in versions.

 

Each time from inside the so called investigations whistle-blowers tune up the pipes.

 

Those that give a damn owe much to those folks, Gaeton Fonzi and Doug Horne in particular.

 

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:58 PM

I'd simply suggest that a visit to Warren Commission Doc 298 and a review of the meticulous work of Leo Gauthier's team be a starting point for the discovery of why any of this was necessary.

 

If the Evidence available to them suggested the results shown in that model and those calculations...  even if to only map out 3 of the X shots fired...

 

there's some 'splainin' to be doin'...  (the measurements are directly from Doc 298..  shot #1 before? the tree...)

 

https://www.maryferr...tml?docId=10699

 

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 06:20 PM

Re-enactments!!!

 

Love-em for their comparative values.

 

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:23 AM

Re-enactments!!!

 

Love-em for their comparative values.

 

 

StemmonsCutoff.gif

 

Hey Chris,

 

What are we looking at? It seems that the re-enactment frame is not shot from full telephoto (zoom), but rather is a wide angle. Its POV is facing farther west (down Elm) away from Houston than Zapruder was facing. The tree in Zapruder on the south side of Elm situated just above the US flag on the front of the limo is oriented (perhaps as much as 50%) to the right of center in the frame. The same tree as seen in the re-enactment frame is oriented (perhaps as much as 85%) to the left of center in the frame. Perhaps you are comparing apples (POV) to oranges (POV)?

 

[Note: Even if discrepancies in these frames are easily explained due to a differing POV,  that does not answer "why" they needed to re-enact a crime on film, since they already had the actual crime on film!]

 

Here's an earlier frame from the film (cropped and full):

 

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 03:22 PM

Greg,

 

The gif I supplied has the ghost image of the Z frame in the red square.

 

The ghost image matches what is red squared in the recreation frame "in terms of a body cutoff" from the bottom of the Stemmons sign.

 

The comparison is top of the Stemmons sign (straight) to ghost image sign bottom (angled).

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 03:51 PM

The location of the camera from this frame is not on the pedestal, as it is obvious, the two gentlemen on the left (WC crew) are on the pedestal.

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 04:19 PM

Notice the same white haired gentleman on the pedestal (inset) is also down in the front of the Queen Mary.

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 04:31 PM

Chris,

 

Thanks for the explanation. If I'm understanding, you're demonstrating the Stemmons' sign slant vs the Zappy?


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 05:03 PM

This gif is the ghost image "bottom of Stemmons sign angle" matching the recreation "bottom of Stemmons sign angle" from the non pedestal filming position.

 

Compare the angle from the top of the Stemmons sign in Z, to the angle top of the other recreations

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 05:31 PM

I wonder if this person(my imagination) from Weigman (white shirt/dark pants) might qualify as someone who was close to the non-pedestal recreation filming location?

 

The SS/FBI plat has a LOS (see current gif) line drawn from that approx location running through the corner of the Stemmons sign.

 

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:11 PM

It's probably just me, but on the re-creation shown it appears that northbound Houston St is going slightly downhill.  :unsure: 


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Posted 03 September 2015 - 09:22 AM

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Chris,

 

Thanks for the explanation. If I'm understanding, you're demonstrating the Stemmons' sign slant vs the Zappy?

 

Greg,

 

The same angle between the bottom and top of the Stemmons sign within the same frame.

 

In order to do this, the Stemmons sign would have to rotate something to this effect.

 

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