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#1 Greg Burnham

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 11:19 AM

President Kennedy's Cabinet members are listed below. Their names are externally linked to their respective Wikipedia pages. I hesitated to include those links due to the factual errors and otherwise misleading information that can often be found on Wikipedia. However, generally speaking, the basic information (vitals) on these subjects is accurate. It is up to us to fill in the deep background of these individuals in order to gain a perspective of their role in the JFK Administration. 

 

Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson 1961–1963

 

State Dean Rusk 1961–1963

 

Treasury C. Douglas Dillon 1961–1963

 

Defense Robert S. McNamara 1961–1963

 

Justice Robert F. Kennedy 1961–1963

 

Postmaster General J. Edward Day 1961–1963 and John A. Gronouski 1963

 

Interior Stewart L. Udall 1961–1963

 

Agriculture Orville L. Freeman 1961–1963

 

Commerce Luther H. Hodges 1961–1963

 

Labor Arthur J. Goldberg 1961–1962 and W. Willard Wirtz 1962–1963

 

HEW Abraham A. Ribicoff 1961–1962   Anthony J. Celebrezze 1962–1963


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#2 Rob Caprio

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:23 PM

President Kennedy's Cabinet members are listed below. Their names are externally linked to their respective Wikipedia pages. I hesitated to include those links due to the factual errors and otherwise misleading information that can often be found on Wikipedia. However, generally speaking, the basic information (vitals) on these subjects is accurate. It is up to us to fill in the deep background of these individuals in order to gain a perspective of their role in the JFK Administration. 

 

Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson 1961–1963

 

State Dean Rusk 1961–1963

 

Treasury C. Douglas Dillon 1961–1963

 

Defense Robert S. McNamara 1961–1963

 

Justice Robert F. Kennedy 1961–1963

 

Postmaster General J. Edward Day 1961–1963 and John A. Gronouski 1963

 

Interior Stewart L. Udall 1961–1963

 

Agriculture Orville L. Freeman 1961–1963

 

Commerce Luther H. Hodges 1961–1963

 

Labor Arthur J. Goldberg 1961–1962 and W. Willard Wirtz 1962–1963

 

HEW Abraham A. Ribicoff 1961–1962   Anthony J. Celebrezze 1962–1963

 

Although not an official cabinet member, McGeorge Bundy--National Security Advisor, had a lot of influence on events during JFK's time in office. I had read somewhere that JFK was disappointed at having so many "retreads" in his cabinet. By this, he meant men who had served in other administrations as he was interested in new blood like RFK and McNamara for his cabinet. 


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#3 Stan Wilbourne

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:33 PM

Rob, that's funny.  I was just thinking of this today.

 

Wasn't it something like this:  "I want some fresh faces, but all I see in front of me is Rockefeller men."



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:15 PM

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 07:39 PM

Rob, that's funny.  I was just thinking of this today.

 

Wasn't it something like this:  "I want some fresh faces, but all I see in front of me is Rockefeller men."

 

 

Yes. CFR everywhere.


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 10:57 PM

Surrounded by old men.

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -President John F.Kennedy

 

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -President John F. Kennedy

 

"Forgive your enemies but never forget their names." -President John F. Kennedy

 

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#7 Arlene Kapel

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 03:31 PM

As his time in office IMO JFK grew in boldness & independence, however was his first cabinet members really his choice ? Rusk as Secretary of State, from the Rockefellar Foundation, McNamara for Defense a Republivan, Dillion at Treasury, also a Republican. Was JFK. whose election victory was narrow trieing to build a coalition goverment, with a hand out to the Republicans, or where all of many of selections dictated to him ? As time wore on JFK independence grew and the need to elimate him grew.


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Posted 23 March 2014 - 06:42 PM

After reading Robert Caro's four volume tome encapsulating the long career of Lyndon Johnson, the most amazing, if not shocking, member on that list is President Kennedy's Vice President.  That selection is almost Faustian in its implication based on what was known about Johnson at the time, which should have been ample warning to the most tyro of political operatives.  The pressures on Kennedy to win the south must have been unimaginably great for him to invite a veritable Mephistopheles to be one heart beat from the Presidency.  He (Kennedy) did bargain with his soul in that selection.  Deals with the devil seem always to backfire.

 

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 08:56 PM

Not necessarily. After all, Reagan survived Bush.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:48 PM

You've got a point there, Greg!


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:52 PM

You've got a point there, Greg!

 

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 12:55 PM

Considering Bush was CIA it's astonishing that Reagen survived.
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"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -President John F.Kennedy

 

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -President John F. Kennedy

 

"Forgive your enemies but never forget their names." -President John F. Kennedy

 

JFK

 

 

 

 


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 11:55 PM

As an avid student of politics for many years, I have a library of books related to the Kennedy's. Probably the best explanation of LBJ's selection is found in chapter 2 of MUTUAL CONTEMPT, by Jeff Shesol. The entire book is a wonderful examination of the relationship of RFK and LBJ, especially after the assassination.

 

The Kennedy's thought the selection of LBJ was a horrible mistake almost from the moment it was made, but they came to believe he may have been instrumental in winning the 1960 election.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:52 AM

As an avid student of politics for many years, I have a library of books related to the Kennedy's. Probably the best explanation of LBJ's selection is found in chapter 2 of MUTUAL CONTEMPT, by Jeff Shesol. The entire book is a wonderful examination of the relationship of RFK and LBJ, especially after the assassination.

The Kennedy's thought the selection of LBJ was a horrible mistake almost from the moment it was made, but they came to believe he may have been instrumental in winning the 1960 election.


I remember reading about that. But didn't Jack initially want Stuart Symington for VP? I googled it and several sources are saying that he did choose him first. So if that's the case how did LBJ end up on the ticket?

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -President John F.Kennedy

 

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -President John F. Kennedy

 

"Forgive your enemies but never forget their names." -President John F. Kennedy

 

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#15 Arlene Kapel

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:25 PM

Perhaps Johnson was put an the ticket because of blackmail info on JFK supplied to the Johnson camp via J.Edgar Hoover. After JFK was elected didn't General Dynamics "bug" Marilyn Monroes' home to get more incrimationing info on JFK ? General Dynamics base of operation was Ft.Worth, Texas and LBJ  worked hand in glove with their top brass in order to get GD's main plant based in Texas.



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 09:52 PM

Blackmail of that sort wouldn't have been effective in that particular election. It's like throwing rocks from glass houses where everyone on the inside had as much to hide as everyone on

the outside. Besides, Old Joe's files on everyone in politics probably exceeded even those possessed by Hoover! Prior to his stroke, Joseph Kennedy was not a force to be reckoned with

lightly or casually. Attempting to blackmail his son would have been a very dangerous game to play, indeed.

 

Johnson was chosen because Kennedy needed to balance out the ticket. There was no way to bring in the Southern Democratic states without "Landslide" Lyndon on the ticket. Symington

was of the North East establishment from birth. He only became Senator from Missouri as a result of his having been in the Truman Administration and took the seat that Truman had vacated.

His politics were squarely democratic, but of an Ivy League background. He opposed the Vietnam war among other unpopular positions that dove tailed nicely with Kennedy's own, but were

not going to help the ticket win in 1960.


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:38 PM

But w/Johnson didn't they lose California?  Where I've seen it opined that w/Symington, they would have won california, but lost texas; wouldn't that have more than washed out?



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 07:48 PM

Welcome to the Forum, David. I'll go in and change your name so that it appears with upper and lower case after I post a reply.

 

First, there is no way of knowing for certain whether it was LBJ that cost Kennedy California. It could be as simple as Californians were fond of voting for one of their own.

Nixon was born in Yorba Linda, California in Orange County, had attended Whittier College in California, practiced law in that state and was later (1946) elected to the House

of Representatives for California. In 1950 he was elected Senator from California.

 

Having said that, there was a difference of eight (8) electoral votes between California's (32) and Texas' (24) electoral votes, respectively. Kennedy/Johnson only lost California

by a margin of 0.55% of the vote! So LBJ didn't hurt it that much. I think they were fortunate to unexpectedly get even that close. Compare it to what the Kennedy/Johnson ticket

got in Massachusetts! The margin of victory was 20.67% in JFK's home state vs 0.55% for Nixon in his own home state. That's where the real significance lies.

 

And look at the other southern states that probably went Kennedy's way due to LBJ, such as, Georgia (12) with a margin of 25.11% and Louisiana (10) with a margin of 21.83%.

Picking up either one of those states by themselves would have been more than enough to compensate for the loss of California. When you add picking up Texas due to having

LBJ on the ticket he becomes nearly indispensable. 

 

 

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